Re: [MASSMAIL]Re: Code of Conduct plan
От | gilberto.castillo@etecsa.cu |
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Тема | Re: [MASSMAIL]Re: Code of Conduct plan |
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Msg-id | 4a28ce9cf3dc651696eaac55c32fd733@etecsa.cu обсуждение исходный текст |
Ответ на | Re: [MASSMAIL]Re: Code of Conduct plan (gilberto.castillo@etecsa.cu) |
Список | pgsql-general |
El 2018-06-05 10:54, gilberto.castillo@etecsa.cu escribió: > Hello, > > Maybe must include policy of money support from several at member from > country less earnings. > > > El 2018-06-05 10:45, Chris Travers escribió: >> On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 6:59 PM, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On 06/03/2018 04:08 PM, Gavin Flower wrote: >>> >>> My comments: >>> >>> 1) Reiterate my contention that this is a solution is search of >>> problem. Still it looks like it is going forward, so see below. >>> >>> 2) "... engaging in behavior that may bring the PostgreSQL project >>> into disrepute, ..." >>> This to me is overly broad and pulls in actions that may happen >>> outside the community. Those if they are actually an issue should be >>> handled where they occur not here. >> >> This is good point. There are those who would think that one has >> performed an action that brings the project into disrepute and a >> similar sized bias that suggests that in fact that isn't the case. >> This based on the CoC would be judged by the CoC committee. >> >> It is my hope that PostgreSQL.Org -Core chooses members for that >> committee that are exceedingly diverse otherwise it is just an echo >> chamber for a single ideology and that will destroy this community. >> >> If I may suggest: The committee should be international as well and >> include people from around the world. The last thing we want is for >> it to be dominated by people from one particular cultural viewpoint. >> >>> 3) "... members must be sensitive to conduct that may be considered >>> offensive by fellow members and must refrain from engaging in such >>> conduct. " >> >>>> Again overly broad, especially given the hypersensitivity of >>>> people these days. I have found that it is enough to disagree with >>>> someone to have it called offensive. This section should be >>>> removed as proscribed behavior is called out in detail in the >>>> paragraphs above it. >> >> "considered offensive by fellow members" >> >> Is definitely too broad. The problem comes in here: >> >>> I might possibly say that "I'm the master in this area" when talking >>> to someone on a technical subject. In the sense that I'm better at >>> that particular skill, but some hypersensitive American could get >>> their knickers in a twist (notice, that in this context, no gender >>> is implied -- also in using that that expression "get their knickers >>> in a twist" could offend some snowflake) claiming that I'm >>> suggesting that whoever >> >> "snowflake", I find that term hilarious others find it highly >> offensive. Which is correct? >> >> I agree with both concerns in the above exchange. >> >> This is an economic common project. The goal should be for people to >> come together and act civilly. Waging culture war using the code of >> conduct itself should be a violation of the code of conduct and this >> goes on *all* (not just one or two) sides. >> >>>> I'm talking to is my slave! I heard of an American university >>>> that doesn't want people to use the term master, like in an MSc, >>>> because of the history of slavery. >>> >>> The PostgreSQL project already has this problem, note we don't use >>> the terms Master and Slave in reference to replication anymore. >>> >>>> I've used the expressions "sacrifice a willing virgin" and >>>> "offering my first born to the gods" as ways to ensure success of >>>> resolving a technical issue. The people I say that to, know what >>>> I mean -- and they implicitly know that I'm not seriously >>>> suggesting such conduct. Yet, if I wrote that publicly, it is >>>> conceivable that someone might object! >>> >>> Yes and that is a problem. We need to have some simple barrier of >>> acceptance that we are all adults here (or should act like adults). >>> Knowing your audience is important. >> >> I would point out also that the PostgreSQL community is nice and >> mature. At PGConf US I saw what appeared to be two individuals with >> red MAGA hats. And yet everyone managed to be civil. We manage to do >> better than the US does on the whole in this regard and we should be >> proud of ourselves. >> >>>> Consider a past advertising campaign in Australia to sell >>>> government Bonds. They used two very common hand gestures that >>>> are very Australian. Bond sales dropped. On investigation, they >>>> found the bonds were mainly bought by old Greek people, who found >>>> the gestures obscene. The gestures? Thumbs up, and the okay >>>> gesture formed by touching the thumb with the next finger -- >>>> nothing sexually suggestive to most Australians, but traditional >>>> Greeks found them offensive. >>> >>> Using Australia as an example, my understanding is that the word >>> c**t is part of nomenclature but in the states the word is taboo and >>> highly frowned upon. >> >> Again key point that a CoC committee needs to be international and >> used to addressing these sorts of issues. >> >>>> Be very careful in attempting to codify 'correct' behaviour! >>> >>> Correct. I think one way to look at all of this is, "if you >>> wouldn't say it to your boss or a client don't say it here". That >>> too has problems but generally speaking I think it keeps the >>> restrictions rational. >> >> I will post a more specific set of thoughts here but in general I >> think the presumption ought to be that people are trying to work >> together. Misunderstanding can happen. But let's try to act in a >> collegial and generally respectful way around eachother. >> >> -- >> >> Best Regards, >> Chris Travers >> Database Administrator >> >> Tel: +49 162 9037 210 | Skype: einhverfr | www.adjust.com [1] >> Saarbrücker Straße 37a, 10405 Berlin >> >> >> >> Links: >> ------ >> [1] http://www.adjust.com/
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