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Hi All,

 

This is a very intersting question. I believe this is not just a best practice to PG. We can apply to all RDBMS. In my opinion, I agree with the others: with SSD, you don’t separate tables and indexs to different disks. I think the IOPS is enough. If you still have a problem of IOPS, you can try NVME device or U2 device.

 

Thanks,

Dillon

 

 

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发件人: Iuri Sampaio
发送时间: 202047 5:40
收件人: Ed Behn
抄送: MichaelDBA; Steve Midgley; Erik Brandsberg; pgsql-sql@lists.postgresql.org
主题: Re: [External] Re: Separate volumes

 

Hi Ed,

We’d need more information (numbers, characteristics, statistics, workflow, payload, etc), about your environment, in order to give you a better answer.

However, a simple rule for better performance is:  one must alway look for the balance (i.e. equilibrium) between those two setups. Meaning, you can choose to storage tables and index, that are more accessed, in the same tablespace, and the other datamodel (tables and indexes), which are less accessed in different tablespaces.

That would increase complexity, however, it will give you better performance. But again, we don’t know your need and numbers in details, to give you the best metrics.

Furthermore, you can always create plsql procedures (weather in Oracle or PGSQL) to keep the complexity in a separate layer, avoiding the overload of work to you server side programmers.

Anyway, that isn’t a yes/no question indeed.

Hope that helps

Best wishes,

I



On Apr 6, 2020, at 16:36, Ed Behn <ed.behn@collins.com> wrote:

 

 

That makes sense. The person who told me this was very experienced with Oracle but was a PG novice. 

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On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 3:33 PM MichaelDBA <MichaelDBA@sqlexec.com> wrote:

Hi Steve,

Coming from oracle land, tablespaces play a bigger role than they do in PG land.  In PG land, they can control the mapping of tables/indexes to faster or slower devices. By separating a table's tablespace from its index tablespace, you may get more parallel I/O.  They also allow for flexibility in setting pg config parameters per tablespace:


alter tablespace mytablespace set ( seq_page_cost=0.5, random_page_cost=0.5 );

But they also can be a headache in managing stuff.   For instance, all replicas must have the same directory structure and symlinks.

Regards,
Michael Vitale



Steve Midgley wrote on 4/6/2020 1:11 PM:

 

 

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 9:42 AM Erik Brandsberg <erik@heimdalldata.com> wrote:

With SSD and it's random IO performance, I doubt that this advice would apply as much, and adds complexity to your configuration and management.  In particular if you use any filesystem level snapshotting (like with ZFS), splitting the filespaces will make it harder to do restores and using snapshots.

 

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 10:40 AM Ed Behn <ed.behn@collins.com> wrote:

I was once told that it's best practice to store tables and indexes in separate tablespaces located on separate physical drives. It seemed logical that this should improve performance because the read-head wouldn't need to jump back and forth between a table and its index. 

 

However, I can't seem to find this advice anywhere online. Is it indeed best practice? Is it worth the hassle?

 

 

 

As a general and practical matter I 100% agree with Erik -- the advice is a bit out of date, and for SSDs it probably makes no meaningful difference. However for extremely high, sustained workloads, you might find splitting tables, indices, and transaction logs onto separate disk _disk arrays and controllers_ could yield improvements, particularly for certain RAID setups. But maxing out a disk controller is pretty hard to do (impossible afaik with a single drive), so you'd want to have some strong metrics to show this is worth it. At that point, you'd probably be better off getting commercial disk array solutions into the mix rather than rolling your own anyway..

 

Steve

 

 

 

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