Обсуждение: Well, Pervasive is now out....
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6100795.html -- Tony Caduto AM Software Design http://www.amsoftwaredesign.com Home of PG Lightning Admin for Postgresql Your best bet for Postgresql Administration
Tony Caduto wrote: > http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6100795.html > > Week late bud :) that was announced during OSCON. Joshua D. Drake -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/
On 8/3/06, Tony Caduto <tony_caduto@amsoftwaredesign.com> wrote: > http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6100795.html Let's believe that that was the real reason... :-) " ... In a letter to the PostgreSQL community of developers, Pervasive Software President John Farr said last week that the company "underestimated the high level of quality support and expertise already available within the PostgreSQL community." ... " -- Best regards, Nikolay
I found this comment particularly telling: Pervasive Software President John Farr said last week that the company "underestimated the high level of quality support and expertise already available within the PostgreSQL community." I don't think I can add anything to that.
On 8/3/06, Nikolay Samokhvalov <samokhvalov@gmail.com> wrote: > Let's believe that that was the real reason... :-) If not, what was? Is this really a commentary on how many "enterprise"-y types are using Postgres?
On 8/4/06, J B <jbwellsiv@gmail.com> wrote: > On 8/3/06, Nikolay Samokhvalov <samokhvalov@gmail.com> wrote: > > Let's believe that that was the real reason... :-) > > If not, what was? Is this really a commentary on how many > "enterprise"-y types are using Postgres? > I'm afraid that many people read only the titles of abstract of news (RSS-readers or diggers, etc) --> do not see that letter and that words --> so they would think that this is a proof of that open-source model is unworkable. -- Best regards, Nikolay
My guess is what this really means is they weren't making money on it. Its a community friendly spin to suggest that communitysupport is so good that not many companies will pony up for commercial support. My guess is that its fairly accuratethough. A company is only going to use postgreSQL if their dba is behind it and for that to be the case the dba isprobably pretty comfortable with their own knowledge backed by community support. If its not the dba who is promoting pgsql in the company then it is likely an exec who sees it as a way to save money andlikely doesn't want to pay for support for a free product. Joe joe_audette [at] yahoo dotcom http://www.joeaudette.com http://www.mojoportal.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Nikolay Samokhvalov <samokhvalov@gmail.com> To: pgsql-general@postgresql.org Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2006 2:58:03 PM Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Well, Pervasive is now out.... On 8/3/06, Tony Caduto <tony_caduto@amsoftwaredesign.com> wrote: > http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6100795.html Let's believe that that was the real reason... :-) " ... In a letter to the PostgreSQL community of developers, Pervasive Software President John Farr said last week that the company "underestimated the high level of quality support and expertise already available within the PostgreSQL community." ... " -- Best regards, Nikolay ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend
joe_audette@yahoo.com (Joe Audette) writes: > My guess is what this really means is they weren't making money on > it. Its a community friendly spin to suggest that community support > is so good that not many companies will pony up for commercial > support. My guess is that its fairly accurate though. A company is > only going to use postgreSQL if their dba is behind it and for that > to be the case the dba is probably pretty comfortable with their own > knowledge backed by community support. If its not the dba who is > promoting pgsql in the company then it is likely an exec who sees it > as a way to save money and likely doesn't want to pay for support > for a free product. Also, it's worth considering that there are other service organizations out there. With some of its "staff acquisitions," Command Prompt has more staff at a high technical level with PostgreSQL than Pervasive did. In effect, this suggests that CP (and others that are generally smaller players) "beat out" Pervasive. I also have heard vaguely that there may have been other politicking taking place inside Pervasive. Becoming a successful PG "shop" wasn't necessarily something everyone there agreed they wanted to do. I have no special knowledge about such, but would strongly suspect that there's more to the story than will ever meet our eyes. I suppose it would be at least somewhat interesting to watch what they do next; if it *isn't* to go in some clear new technical direction, that would support the notion that what happened wasn't "about us." -- "cbbrowne","@","acm.org" http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/finances.html "This must be Thursday. I never could get the hang of Thursdays." - Arthur Dent
On 8/3/06, Joe Audette <joe_audette@yahoo.com> wrote: > My guess is what this really means is they weren't making money on it. Its a community friendly spin to suggest that communitysupport is so good that not many companies will pony up for commercial support. My guess is that its fairly accuratethough. A company is only going to use postgreSQL if their dba is behind it and for that to be the case the dba isprobably pretty comfortable with their own knowledge backed by community support. > If its not the dba who is promoting pgsql in the company then it is likely an exec who sees it as a way to save money andlikely doesn't want to pay for support for a free product. i know of at least one case where the non technical phb said 'use pg' to save 70k in ms sql licensing fees for a quad server running enterprise. developers resisted, being very comfortable with ms but the project was ultimately a success despite initial problems with the odbc driver. merlin