Обсуждение: Creating an Independant Application
Hi
I have managed to turn my host software into an executable. It runs well using my installed database and server.
What files in PostgreSQL do I need to include to have the host software, the PostgreSQL server and database run as an independant application??
Bob Pawley
I'm not quite sure I understand your question, do you mean that you wish to distribute an "all-in-one" installer for a client machine that will include both your app and PostgreSQL? It all depends on the complexity of your database backend. If this is small, quick-and-dirty app, I don't know if PostgreSQL is the best match for a setup like that. Other people on this list may disagree, but I tend to think that a full-blown RDBMS is overkill for that sort of problem. If your app is in C/C++, you may want to check out SQLite: http://www.sqlite.org/ If you're programming in a Windows-centric environment, you may want to consider using an Access .mdb backend and programming to it through ADO. Bob Pawley wrote: > Hi > > I have managed to turn my host software into an executable. It runs > well using my installed database and server. > > What files in PostgreSQL do I need to include to have the host > software, the PostgreSQL server and database run as an independant > application?? > > Bob Pawley
I've already built the PostgreSQL database. Now I want to turn it and the Delphi interface (host) into a distributable application. I am using Installshield and I need to pick up the files in Postgres to include. Bob Pawley ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McCawley" <nospam@hardgeus.com> To: "Bob Pawley" <rjpawley@shaw.ca> Cc: "Postgresql" <pgsql-general@postgresql.org> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Creating an Independant Application > I'm not quite sure I understand your question, do you mean that you wish > to distribute an "all-in-one" installer for a client machine that will > include both your app and PostgreSQL? > > It all depends on the complexity of your database backend. If this is > small, quick-and-dirty app, I don't know if PostgreSQL is the best match > for a setup like that. Other people on this list may disagree, but I tend > to think that a full-blown RDBMS is overkill for that sort of problem. If > your app is in C/C++, you may want to check out SQLite: > > http://www.sqlite.org/ > > If you're programming in a Windows-centric environment, you may want to > consider using an Access .mdb backend and programming to it through ADO. > > > Bob Pawley wrote: > >> Hi >> I have managed to turn my host software into an executable. It runs well >> using my installed database and server. >> What files in PostgreSQL do I need to include to have the host software, >> the PostgreSQL server and database run as an independant application?? >> Bob Pawley > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster >
Here is a link to the source for the current Windows PostgreSQL installer: http://pgfoundry.org/projects/pginstaller/ I'm not an expert on the architecture of the PostgreSQL server installer, but I'd venture a guess that there is more to it than simply copying files over and registering DLL files. PostgreSQL is registered as a service IIRC, and doing that in an installer, while do-able, is not simple. Assuming that you get that up and running perfectly, you still have to set up your database, create your users, etc., unless you made your installer copy over the exact backend that you're currently using. If I were going to try to tackle this I would do the following: 1) Dig through the PostgreSQL Windows installer source to see what it is doing 2) Make a decision to either shell out to the existing PostgreSQL Windows installer, or wrap up its functionality into my own 3) Make a decision to either make the installer install my database "as is" (use my current backend as the source files, if that's even possible), or make my installer run scripts to setup my user/database environment. I'd probably also put some sort of testing functionality into the installer to make sure the environment is setup as my app is expecting. As I said in my last message, I think this approach is overkill for a small project. I know I wouldn't want to do all of this unless I had a really good reason to be using PostgreSQL on the client side! One other thing: It's possible that someone has put together some project for exactly what you're trying to do. I haven't seen anything of the sort, but that's not to say one doesn't exist. So, my actual step 1) would be: 1) Look for an existing installer project, or HOWTO specifically geared towards "rolling your own" custom Windows PostgreSQL installer. Bob Pawley wrote: > I've already built the PostgreSQL database. Now I want to turn it and > the Delphi interface (host) into a distributable application. > > I am using Installshield and I need to pick up the files in Postgres > to include. > > Bob Pawley > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John McCawley" <nospam@hardgeus.com> > To: "Bob Pawley" <rjpawley@shaw.ca> > Cc: "Postgresql" <pgsql-general@postgresql.org> > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 10:57 AM > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Creating an Independant Application > > >> I'm not quite sure I understand your question, do you mean that you >> wish to distribute an "all-in-one" installer for a client machine >> that will include both your app and PostgreSQL? >> >> It all depends on the complexity of your database backend. If this >> is small, quick-and-dirty app, I don't know if PostgreSQL is the >> best match for a setup like that. Other people on this list may >> disagree, but I tend to think that a full-blown RDBMS is overkill for >> that sort of problem. If your app is in C/C++, you may want to check >> out SQLite: >> >> http://www.sqlite.org/ >> >> If you're programming in a Windows-centric environment, you may want >> to consider using an Access .mdb backend and programming to it >> through ADO. >> >> >> Bob Pawley wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> I have managed to turn my host software into an executable. It runs >>> well using my installed database and server. >>> What files in PostgreSQL do I need to include to have the host >>> software, the PostgreSQL server and database run as an independant >>> application?? >>> Bob Pawley >> >> >> >> ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- >> TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster >> > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
I think Postgres has to be installed as a service. Seems as if what you are looking for is more of an embeddable solution in which the libraries can move with the app per se. Johann. "Bob Pawley" <rjpawley@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:006401c72300$b4953d00$8e904618@owner... > I've already built the PostgreSQL database. Now I want to turn it and the > Delphi interface (host) into a distributable application. > > I am using Installshield and I need to pick up the files in Postgres to > include. > > Bob Pawley > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John McCawley" <nospam@hardgeus.com> > To: "Bob Pawley" <rjpawley@shaw.ca> > Cc: "Postgresql" <pgsql-general@postgresql.org> > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 10:57 AM > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Creating an Independant Application > > >> I'm not quite sure I understand your question, do you mean that you wish >> to distribute an "all-in-one" installer for a client machine that will >> include both your app and PostgreSQL? >> >> It all depends on the complexity of your database backend. If this is >> small, quick-and-dirty app, I don't know if PostgreSQL is the best match >> for a setup like that. Other people on this list may disagree, but I >> tend to think that a full-blown RDBMS is overkill for that sort of >> problem. If your app is in C/C++, you may want to check out SQLite: >> >> http://www.sqlite.org/ >> >> If you're programming in a Windows-centric environment, you may want to >> consider using an Access .mdb backend and programming to it through ADO. >> >> >> Bob Pawley wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> I have managed to turn my host software into an executable. It runs >>> well using my installed database and server. >>> What files in PostgreSQL do I need to include to have the host >>> software, the PostgreSQL server and database run as an independant >>> application?? >>> Bob Pawley >> >> >> ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- >> TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster >> > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster >
Yes I want to include the service and the tables, triggers etc. as an installable application for one, or more, users. I don't know if this is considered embedded or not, but there seems to be a lack of infomation on how to accomplish this. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johann Campbell" <johann.campbell@gmail.com> To: <pgsql-general@postgresql.org> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Creating an Independant Application >I think Postgres has to be installed as a service. Seems as if what you are >looking for is more of an embeddable solution in which the libraries can >move with the app per se. > > Johann. > > "Bob Pawley" <rjpawley@shaw.ca> wrote in message > news:006401c72300$b4953d00$8e904618@owner... >> I've already built the PostgreSQL database. Now I want to turn it and the >> Delphi interface (host) into a distributable application. >> >> I am using Installshield and I need to pick up the files in Postgres to >> include. >> >> Bob Pawley >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John McCawley" <nospam@hardgeus.com> >> To: "Bob Pawley" <rjpawley@shaw.ca> >> Cc: "Postgresql" <pgsql-general@postgresql.org> >> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 10:57 AM >> Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Creating an Independant Application >> >> >>> I'm not quite sure I understand your question, do you mean that you wish >>> to distribute an "all-in-one" installer for a client machine that will >>> include both your app and PostgreSQL? >>> >>> It all depends on the complexity of your database backend. If this is >>> small, quick-and-dirty app, I don't know if PostgreSQL is the best >>> match for a setup like that. Other people on this list may disagree, >>> but I tend to think that a full-blown RDBMS is overkill for that sort of >>> problem. If your app is in C/C++, you may want to check out SQLite: >>> >>> http://www.sqlite.org/ >>> >>> If you're programming in a Windows-centric environment, you may want to >>> consider using an Access .mdb backend and programming to it through ADO. >>> >>> >>> Bob Pawley wrote: >>> >>>> Hi >>>> I have managed to turn my host software into an executable. It runs >>>> well using my installed database and server. >>>> What files in PostgreSQL do I need to include to have the host >>>> software, the PostgreSQL server and database run as an independant >>>> application?? >>>> Bob Pawley >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- >>> TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster >>> >> >> >> ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- >> TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster >> > > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 2: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster >
Bob Pawley wrote: > Yes > > I want to include the service and the tables, triggers etc. as an > installable application for one, or more, users. > > I don't know if this is considered embedded or not, but there seems to > be a lack of infomation on how to accomplish this. > > Bob > > > - Hi Bob, You can easily accomplish it using Inno setup and the full installer I created for Postgresql, you simply have to add you app to the Inno setup script and your done. Complete source is available here: http://www.amsoftwaredesign.com/downloads/pg_installer_setup.zip and I licensed the script as BSD. You can get all the Inno setup stuff here: http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php Hope this helps you out. Later, -- Tony Caduto AM Software Design http://www.amsoftwaredesign.com Home of PG Lightning Admin for Postgresql Your best bet for Postgresql Administration
Thanks Tony What PostgreSQL files do I use? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Caduto" <tony_caduto@amsoftwaredesign.com> To: "Bob Pawley" <rjpawley@shaw.ca>; <pgsql-general@postgresql.org> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Creating an Independant Application > Bob Pawley wrote: >> Yes >> >> I want to include the service and the tables, triggers etc. as an >> installable application for one, or more, users. >> >> I don't know if this is considered embedded or not, but there seems to >> be a lack of infomation on how to accomplish this. >> >> Bob >> >> >> - > Hi Bob, > You can easily accomplish it using Inno setup and the full installer I > created for Postgresql, > you simply have to add you app to the Inno setup script and your done. > > Complete source is available here: > http://www.amsoftwaredesign.com/downloads/pg_installer_setup.zip > and I licensed the script as BSD. > > You can get all the Inno setup stuff here: > http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php > > Hope this helps you out. > > Later, > > -- > Tony Caduto > AM Software Design > http://www.amsoftwaredesign.com > Home of PG Lightning Admin for Postgresql > Your best bet for Postgresql Administration > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 9: In versions below 8.0, the planner will ignore your desire to > choose an index scan if your joining column's datatypes do not > match >
Bob Pawley wrote: > Thanks Tony > > What PostgreSQL files do I use? > > Bob > Hi Bob, you need these files: http://wwwmaster.postgresql.org/download/mirrors-ftp?file=binary%2Fv8.1.5%2Fwin32%2Fpostgresql-8.1.5-1-binaries-no-installer.zip You will need to modify the Inno script so it points to the correct location on your system. I have not tested it with 8.2. -- Tony Caduto AM Software Design http://www.amsoftwaredesign.com Home of PG Lightning Admin for Postgresql Your best bet for Postgresql Administration
What is the best way of installing the tables, triggers etc? Do I add a project dump file or generate them from an sql file? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Caduto" <tony_caduto@amsoftwaredesign.com> To: "Bob Pawley" <rjpawley@shaw.ca>; <pgsql-general@postgresql.org> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Creating an Independant Application > Bob Pawley wrote: >> Thanks Tony >> >> What PostgreSQL files do I use? >> >> Bob >> > Hi Bob, > you need these files: > http://wwwmaster.postgresql.org/download/mirrors-ftp?file=binary%2Fv8.1.5%2Fwin32%2Fpostgresql-8.1.5-1-binaries-no-installer.zip > > You will need to modify the Inno script so it points to the correct > location on your system. > > I have not tested it with 8.2. > > -- > Tony Caduto > AM Software Design > http://www.amsoftwaredesign.com > Home of PG Lightning Admin for Postgresql > Your best bet for Postgresql Administration > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings >
Bob Pawley wrote: > What is the best way of installing the tables, triggers etc? Do I add > a project dump file or generate them from an sql file? > > Bob > Bob, I would just have a sql script with the create database etc and then after the server is up and running, execute the script via psql or you could add a delphi DLL to do it with Zeos or some other PG component set. The script uses Pascal scripting to start the service, so you will know when and if it started successfully. Later, -- Tony Caduto AM Software Design http://www.amsoftwaredesign.com Home of PG Lightning Admin for Postgresql Your best bet for Postgresql Administration