Обсуждение: Spam from EnterpriseDB?
Anyone else get spam from EnterpriseDB today, talking about "Postgresql Support Services"? I got one to an email address most likely harvested from one of the Postgresql mailing lists. Ingrid Catlin over at EnterpriseDB confirmed that they sent the mail, but that Rich Romanik provided them with the list of email addresses "so it isn't spam". Cheers, Steve
On 1/18/07, Steve Atkins <steve@blighty.com> wrote:
> Anyone else get spam from EnterpriseDB today, talking about
> "Postgresql Support Services"?
>
yes...
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regards,
Jaime Casanova
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to
build bigger and better idiot-proof programs and the universe trying
to produce bigger and better idiots.
So far, the universe is winning."
Richard Cook
2007/1/18, Steve Atkins <steve@blighty.com>: > Anyone else get spam from EnterpriseDB today, talking about > "Postgresql Support Services"? > > I got one to an email address most likely harvested from one of the > Postgresql mailing lists. Ingrid Catlin over at EnterpriseDB > confirmed that they sent the mail, but that Rich Romanik provided > them with the list of email addresses "so it isn't spam". I received that. I think it does not matter who provided the list. The point is I didn't ask for emails from them. I receive two or three hundred spams each day, so it does not make a difference. It is just that it is bad behavior from postgresql community people. A shame. Regards, -- Clodoaldo Pinto Neto
"Jaime Casanova" <systemguards@gmail.com> writes: > On 1/18/07, Steve Atkins <steve@blighty.com> wrote: >> Anyone else get spam from EnterpriseDB today, talking about >> "Postgresql Support Services"? >> > > yes... Same here... Already reported their spam to spamcop... It is nice that I got 3 messages from them, one for each email of mine, so they got a bit more of spam status at the bayesian filters I manage and also were reported 3 times to some anti-spam services. -- Jorge Godoy <jgodoy@gmail.com>
I got one as well ... not a big deal in my mind since it's only happened once (weekly would be offensive), and it's not entirelyout of the realm of possibility that we'd have use for their services (I try to keep an update list of possible resourcesfor my employers in the event that I get hit by a meteor or a bus or something equally debilitating). Still, I think there might be an appropriate mailing list for this sort of commercial announcement which would be betterthan the "retail" approach. My $0.02 worth ... Greg Williamson DBA GlobeXplorer LLC, a DigitalGlobe company Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s)and may contain confidential and privileged information and must be protected in accordance with those provisions.Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. (my bosses made me say that) -----Original Message----- From: pgsql-general-owner@postgresql.org on behalf of Steve Atkins Sent: Thu 1/18/2007 3:54 PM To: pgsql general Cc: Subject: [GENERAL] Spam from EnterpriseDB? Anyone else get spam from EnterpriseDB today, talking about "Postgresql Support Services"? I got one to an email address most likely harvested from one of the Postgresql mailing lists. Ingrid Catlin over at EnterpriseDB confirmed that they sent the mail, but that Rich Romanik provided them with the list of email addresses "so it isn't spam". Cheers, Steve ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend ------------------------------------------------------- Click link below if it is SPAM gsw@globexplorer.com "https://mailscanner.globexplorer.com/dspam/dspam.cgi?signatureID=45b00777302212117817174&user=gsw@globexplorer.com&retrain=spam&template=history&history_page=1" !DSPAM:45b00777302212117817174! -------------------------------------------------------
Gregory S. Williamson wrote: > I got one as well ... not a big deal in my mind since it's only happened once (weekly would be offensive), and it's notentirely out of the realm of possibility that we'd have use for their services (I try to keep an update list of possibleresources for my employers in the event that I get hit by a meteor or a bus or something equally debilitating). It is pretty bad mojo to harvest emails from a community list to generate targets for a spam. Keep in mind they didn't email you. They emailed people on the list. I mean just look at the email... Dear First Name, > > Still, I think there might be an appropriate mailing list for this sort of commercial announcement which would be betterthan the "retail" approach. There is... it's called pgsql-announce, and they know it. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake > > My $0.02 worth ... > > Greg Williamson > DBA > GlobeXplorer LLC, a DigitalGlobe company > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s)and may contain confidential and privileged information and must be protected in accordance with those provisions.Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. > > (my bosses made me say that) > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pgsql-general-owner@postgresql.org on behalf of Steve Atkins > Sent: Thu 1/18/2007 3:54 PM > To: pgsql general > Cc: > Subject: [GENERAL] Spam from EnterpriseDB? > > Anyone else get spam from EnterpriseDB today, talking about > "Postgresql Support Services"? > > I got one to an email address most likely harvested from one of the > Postgresql mailing lists. Ingrid Catlin over at EnterpriseDB > confirmed that they sent the mail, but that Rich Romanik provided > them with the list of email addresses "so it isn't spam". > > Cheers, > Steve > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Click link below if it is SPAM gsw@globexplorer.com > "https://mailscanner.globexplorer.com/dspam/dspam.cgi?signatureID=45b00777302212117817174&user=gsw@globexplorer.com&retrain=spam&template=history&history_page=1" > !DSPAM:45b00777302212117817174! > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 3: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? > > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faq > -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL Replication: http://www.commandprompt.com/products/
On Thursday 18 January 2007 15:54, Steve Atkins <steve@blighty.com> wrote: > Anyone else get spam from EnterpriseDB today, talking about > "Postgresql Support Services"? > yep. You really would think that even the marketing weenies might know better by now. Hopefully whoever is responsible is cleaning out their desk this afternoon. -- "The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedients, and by parts ... the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 01/18/07 18:29, Alan Hodgson wrote: > On Thursday 18 January 2007 15:54, Steve Atkins <steve@blighty.com> wrote: >> Anyone else get spam from EnterpriseDB today, talking about >> "Postgresql Support Services"? >> > > yep. You really would think that even the marketing weenies might know > better by now. > > Hopefully whoever is responsible is cleaning out their desk this afternoon. Harsh, aren't we? Rich and Garland weren't peddling pr0n or a pump-and-dump stock scam. The fact that they've lost some (a lot of?) respect from potential customers will be pain enough. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFsBRnS9HxQb37XmcRAqgNAJ9uGhXk4G77oGnWM4EPUC7cOtppjQCg45/u L9/kuBdEVM015bU7IlkSlwg= =w7/T -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Thursday 18 January 2007 16:44, Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> > Harsh, aren't we? > > Rich and Garland weren't peddling pr0n or a pump-and-dump stock > scam. The fact that they've lost some (a lot of?) respect from > potential customers will be pain enough. > Spam is spam. I don't care what they're selling. Anyone dumb enough to send spam in 2006 should be fired on the spot. -- `"Gun-wielding recluse gunned down by local police" isn't the epitaph I want. I am hoping for "Witnesses reported the sound up to two hundred kilometers away" or "Last body part finally located".' --- James Nicoll
On 1/18/07, Alan Hodgson <ahodgson@simkin.ca> wrote:
> On Thursday 18 January 2007 15:54, Steve Atkins <steve@blighty.com> wrote:
> > Anyone else get spam from EnterpriseDB today, talking about
> > "Postgresql Support Services"?
> >
>
> yep. You really would think that even the marketing weenies might know
> better by now.
>
> Hopefully whoever is responsible is cleaning out their desk this afternoon.
>
please, no!!
just be more careful...
--
regards,
Jaime Casanova
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to
build bigger and better idiot-proof programs and the universe trying
to produce bigger and better idiots.
So far, the universe is winning."
Richard Cook
On 1/18/07, Joshua D. Drake <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote:
> Gregory S. Williamson wrote:
> > I got one as well ... not a big deal in my mind since it's only happened once (weekly would be offensive), and it's
notentirely out of the realm of possibility that we'd have use for their services (I try to keep an update list of
possibleresources for my employers in the event that I get hit by a meteor or a bus or something equally debilitating).
>
> It is pretty bad mojo to harvest emails from a community list to
> generate targets for a spam. Keep in mind they didn't email you. They
> emailed people on the list. I mean just look at the email...
>
> Dear First Name,
>
>
>
> >
> > Still, I think there might be an appropriate mailing list for this sort of commercial announcement which would be
betterthan the "retail" approach.
>
> There is... it's called pgsql-announce, and they know it.
>
i thought there is a list for that...
--
regards,
Jaime Casanova
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to
build bigger and better idiot-proof programs and the universe trying
to produce bigger and better idiots.
So far, the universe is winning."
Richard Cook
Alan Hodgson wrote:
> On Thursday 18 January 2007 16:44, Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>
>> Harsh, aren't we?
>>
>> Rich and Garland weren't peddling pr0n or a pump-and-dump stock
>> scam. The fact that they've lost some (a lot of?) respect from
>> potential customers will be pain enough.
>>
>
> Spam is spam. I don't care what they're selling. Anyone dumb enough to
> send spam in 2006 should be fired on the spot.
That is a bit extreme. One persons SPAM is another persons interesting
information. Although I agree that the behavior in this particular
situation was a bit less than the average IQ score.
If you are going to communicate with potential customers, especially as
SPAM have the integrity to do it yourself and take the heat yourself.
Don't use some off brand secondary service and pay them to spam for you.
I send out email all the time to potentials. It is common practice but I
do it, directly as me.
Sincerely,
Joshua D. Drake
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In 2007 however, the punishment ought to be ... ?? ;-) <First Name>Greg</First Name> Williamson DBA GlobeXplorer LLC, a DigitalGlobe Company Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s)and may contain confidential and privileged information and must be protected in accordance with those provisions.Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient,please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. -----Original Message----- From: pgsql-general-owner@postgresql.org on behalf of Alan Hodgson Sent: Thu 1/18/2007 4:57 PM To: pgsql-general@postgresql.org Cc: Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Spam from EnterpriseDB? On Thursday 18 January 2007 16:44, Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> > Harsh, aren't we? > > Rich and Garland weren't peddling pr0n or a pump-and-dump stock > scam. The fact that they've lost some (a lot of?) respect from > potential customers will be pain enough. > Spam is spam. I don't care what they're selling. Anyone dumb enough to send spam in 2006 should be fired on the spot. -- `"Gun-wielding recluse gunned down by local police" isn't the epitaph I want. I am hoping for "Witnesses reported the sound up to two hundred kilometers away" or "Last body part finally located".' --- James Nicoll ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings ------------------------------------------------------- Click link below if it is SPAM gsw@globexplorer.com "https://mailscanner.globexplorer.com/dspam/dspam.cgi?signatureID=45b0160f308471804284693&user=gsw@globexplorer.com&retrain=spam&template=history&history_page=1" !DSPAM:45b0160f308471804284693! -------------------------------------------------------
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > > Spam is spam. I don't care what they're selling. Anyone dumb enough to > > send spam in 2006 should be fired on the spot. > > That is a bit extreme. One persons SPAM is another persons interesting > information. Although I agree that the behavior in this particular > situation was a bit less than the average IQ score. > > If you are going to communicate with potential customers, especially as > SPAM have the integrity to do it yourself and take the heat yourself. > Don't use some off brand secondary service and pay them to spam for you. > > I send out email all the time to potentials. It is common practice but I > do it, directly as me. Josh, under the law, that's not spam. Individually written emails are never spam even if they may be "unsolicited sales material." So, rest assured. Richard > > Sincerely, > > Joshua D. Drake > > > > -- Richard Troy, Chief Scientist Science Tools Corporation 510-924-1363 or 202-747-1263 rtroy@ScienceTools.com, http://ScienceTools.com/
On Thu, 18 Jan 2007 17:08:53 -0800, "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: > Alan Hodgson wrote: > > On Thursday 18 January 2007 16:44, Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> > >> Harsh, aren't we? > >> > >> Rich and Garland weren't peddling pr0n or a pump-and-dump stock > >> scam. The fact that they've lost some (a lot of?) respect from > >> potential customers will be pain enough. > >> > > > > Spam is spam. I don't care what they're selling. Anyone dumb enough to > > send spam in 2006 should be fired on the spot. > > That is a bit extreme. One persons SPAM is another persons interesting > information. Although I agree that the behavior in this particular > situation was a bit less than the average IQ score. > > If you are going to communicate with potential customers, especially as > SPAM have the integrity to do it yourself and take the heat yourself. > Don't use some off brand secondary service and pay them to spam for you. > > I send out email all the time to potentials. It is common practice but I > do it, directly as me. I think that this bit is the spam clincher > Please click here to unsubscribe > [http://now.eloqua.com/....] Without that, I might have even filed it away in case I needed what they were offering (24/7 phone support is useful for those of us in vastly different time zones). Mailing lists that I didn't ask to be on is a different story. klint. +---------------------------------------+-----------------+ : Klint Gore : "Non rhyming : : EMail : kg@kgb.une.edu.au : slang - the : : Snail : A.B.R.I. : possibilities : : Mail University of New England : are useless" : : Armidale NSW 2351 Australia : L.J.J. : : Fax : +61 2 6772 5376 : : +---------------------------------------+-----------------+
> > Without that, I might have even filed it away in case I needed what they > were offering (24/7 phone support is useful for those of us in vastly > different time zones). http://www.commandprompt.com/ :) We are more cost effective and have been doing it for much, much longer ;) Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake > > Mailing lists that I didn't ask to be on is a different story. > > klint. > > +---------------------------------------+-----------------+ > : Klint Gore : "Non rhyming : > : EMail : kg@kgb.une.edu.au : slang - the : > : Snail : A.B.R.I. : possibilities : > : Mail University of New England : are useless" : > : Armidale NSW 2351 Australia : L.J.J. : > : Fax : +61 2 6772 5376 : : > +---------------------------------------+-----------------+ > -- === The PostgreSQL Company: Command Prompt, Inc. === Sales/Support: +1.503.667.4564 || 24x7/Emergency: +1.800.492.2240 Providing the most comprehensive PostgreSQL solutions since 1997 http://www.commandprompt.com/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate PostgreSQL Replication: http://www.commandprompt.com/products/
* Joshua D. Drake (jd@commandprompt.com) wrote: > > > > Without that, I might have even filed it away in case I needed what they > > were offering (24/7 phone support is useful for those of us in vastly > > different time zones). > > http://www.commandprompt.com/ :) We are more cost effective and have > been doing it for much, much longer ;) And you know, it wouldn't have been *so* bad if they'd just sent it from themselves to -general or something. Sending it directly to addresses pulled from mailing lists is *bad* form and, imv, against proper mailing list etiquette and justification for removal from the lists. Thanks, Stephen
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On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 06:14:23PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > http://www.commandprompt.com/ :) We are more cost effective and have > been doing it for much, much longer ;) As somebody with a measure of influence over PostgreSQL work in my organization, I'll say that unsolicited email to my personal address has not gone unremarked. -- Michael Fuhr
On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 08:02:58PM -0700, Michael Fuhr wrote: > On Thu, Jan 18, 2007 at 06:14:23PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > http://www.commandprompt.com/ :) We are more cost effective and have > > been doing it for much, much longer ;) > > As somebody with a measure of influence over PostgreSQL work in my > organization, I'll say that unsolicited email to my personal address > has not gone unremarked. I'd like to clarify my remarks: I wasn't referring to Joshua or to Command Prompt, but rather to the unsolicited email I received from That Other Company. I replied to Joshua's message to imply that I'd be recommending that my organization consider talking to Command Prompt. -- Michael Fuhr
On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 17:48 -0800, Richard Troy wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> > >
> > > Spam is spam. I don't care what they're selling. Anyone dumb enough to
> > > send spam in 2006 should be fired on the spot.
> >
> > That is a bit extreme. One persons SPAM is another persons interesting
> > information. Although I agree that the behavior in this particular
> > situation was a bit less than the average IQ score.
> >
> > If you are going to communicate with potential customers, especially as
> > SPAM have the integrity to do it yourself and take the heat yourself.
> > Don't use some off brand secondary service and pay them to spam for you.
> >
> > I send out email all the time to potentials. It is common practice but I
> > do it, directly as me.
>
> Josh, under the law, that's not spam. Individually written emails are
> never spam even if they may be "unsolicited sales material." So, rest
> assured.
>
> Richard
>
You are oh so wrong in so many ways.
SPAM is a term used for unsolicited email of any kind be it UCE
{unsolicited commercial email}, UBE {unsolicited bulk email} or
anything else that is unsolicited and sent to a large number of
individuals or cross posted to a number of mailing lists and or
news groups.
I feel that all @en25.com and @enterprisedb.com should be
considered for banning from the PostgreSQL mailing lists without
a better apology than has been given to date:
"EnterpriseDB recently sent out email advertising new support offerings.
Unfortunately, the email was incorrectly sent to some people who should
not have received it. We apologize for the error, and are taking steps
to avoid such mistakes in the future."
Denis Lussier, CTO & Founder
The part about : "incorrectly sent to some people who should not have
received it"
Is far too weak. I am certain that I never expressed any interest
in EnterpriseDB on the announce list or any other PostgreSQL list.
Posting the message on the list would have been just as effective.
I would expect EnterpriseDB to remove me and anyone else who
has not expressed interest from their list. I thought that the FAQ
indicated that harvesting of emails off the list was not allowed,
I will have to review it, when I have time. As an employee of a
Network Service Provider, I know that we do not tolerate repeat
incidences of intentional Unsolicited email, and especially frown
on complaints of harvested mailing lists.
I do not want any personal communication from EnterpriseDB in
response to this posting or ever again in the future, if they want
to respond they can reply to this post on this mailing list.
I have verified that their NSP is in Canada and have determined
that address harvesting may be illegal if it is not already in
Canada. See Item 7 on :
http://www.e-com.ic.gc.ca/epic/internet/inecic-ceac.nsf/en/h_gv00337e.html
On Fri, 19 Jan 2007, Guy Fraser wrote:
> > Josh, under the law, that's not spam. Individually written emails are
> > never spam even if they may be "unsolicited sales material." So, rest
> > assured.
> >
> > Richard
> >
> You are oh so wrong in so many ways.
>
> SPAM is a term used for unsolicited email of any kind be it UCE
> {unsolicited commercial email}, UBE {unsolicited bulk email} or
> anything else that is unsolicited and sent to a large number of
> individuals or cross posted to a number of mailing lists and or
> news groups.
Guy,
No, by law, I'm correct, though it appears you've misread my post.
There's evidence you've misread what I wrote when you say, "sent to a
large number of individuals". When you sit down and author a letter to
_someone,_ "an individual", it's not spam. Note I didn't say "a large
number of individuals," I said "individually written," meaning, to one
person. ...I thought my writing was plain enough, but I guess English is
flexible enough to always provide room for misunderstanding...
BTW, this is a question of a legal definition of terms, not general use by
a community. Whatever the community thinks is irrelevent; there's law in
the U.S. regarding SPAM. I know not because I'm a lawyer and read the
statutes in question, but because I founded a company and as fearless
leader am responsible for knowing the rules; I consulted our corporate
council on the matter for definitive working rules in order to set our
corporate policy (in particular for Sales people as they're the biggest
risk to an organization in this regard).
Either way, I'm sure their embarassment on the matter is a substantial
penalty for the offending party as this community is their target customer
base, so your obvious anger can be at least somewhat satiated.
Richard
--
Richard Troy, Chief Scientist
Science Tools Corporation
510-924-1363 or 202-747-1263
rtroy@ScienceTools.com, http://ScienceTools.com/
On 1/19/07, Guy Fraser <guy@incentre.net> wrote: > I feel that all @en25.com and @enterprisedb.com should be > considered for banning from the PostgreSQL mailing lists without > a better apology than has been given to date: Thats a bit harsh IMO. Many of the enterprisedb people are active contributors to PostgreSQL and have been (pre-enterprisedb) for years. Stacking this up against a single incident I think 'we did it, it was an accident' is good enough for me. I'm not losing much sleep over the one second it took to move the mail to my spam folder. Yes, we all know how annoying and stupid spam is but there is a human element here that puts things in slightly different light, don't you think? merlin
> SPAM is a term used for unsolicited email of any kind... sent to a large number... Thus the use of the word "bulk". -- Scott Ribe scott_ribe@killerbytes.com http://www.killerbytes.com/ (303) 722-0567 voice
Alan Hodgson wrote: > On Thursday 18 January 2007 15:54, Steve Atkins <steve@blighty.com> wrote: > > Anyone else get spam from EnterpriseDB today, talking about > > "Postgresql Support Services"? > > > > yep. You really would think that even the marketing weenies might know > better by now. I do think that the unsolicited email was not an effective marketing technique at all. Yet, I do not consider it on the same level as "SPAM" (even though it may fit that description) because I understand that many of the developers at that company are actively contributing to PostgreSQL. The reality is that postgres _is_ open source which makes it difficult to create a viable business model because most people will just download postgresql for free and get support on the mailing lists. What I think it suggests is that the company is having some financial difficulties. The sad thing is that in order for PostgreSQL to remain competitive, it probably needs paid developers working on it. Oracle and the rest have teams of professionals working on their RDBMS software 8 or more hours per day. It is naive to think that someone coming home after work spending 2 hours a day can compete with a professional team working full time. I think a good business market would be PostgreSQL hosting. Solaris 10 with PostgreSQL on a Zone. Maybe another server with OpenBSD. They could then upsell their support to those hosted sites that have growing traffic. As for mass emailing, I think instead they should create a newsletter they send out to subscribers. It could be filled with useful tips and ideas (at the bottom they could provide their contact information and services provided). This way, people would look forward to reading their material and have positive associations of the company. Just my 2 cents Regards, Karen
On 19 Jan 2007 12:12:34 -0800, Karen Hill <karen_hill22@yahoo.com> wrote: > Alan Hodgson wrote: > > On Thursday 18 January 2007 15:54, Steve Atkins <steve@blighty.com> wrote: > > > Anyone else get spam from EnterpriseDB today, talking about > > > "Postgresql Support Services"? > > > > > > > yep. You really would think that even the marketing weenies might know > > better by now. > > I do think that the unsolicited email was not an effective marketing > technique at all. Yet, I do not consider it on the same level as "SPAM" > (even though it may fit that description) because I understand that > many of the developers at that company are actively contributing to > PostgreSQL. The reality is that postgres _is_ open source which makes > it difficult to create a viable business model because most people will > just download postgresql for free and get support on the mailing lists. > > What I think it suggests is that the company is having some financial > difficulties. > > The sad thing is that in order for PostgreSQL to remain competitive, it > probably needs paid developers working on it. Oracle and the rest have > teams of professionals working on their RDBMS software 8 or more hours > per day. It is naive to think that someone coming home after work > spending 2 hours a day can compete with a professional team working > full time. > > I think a good business market would be PostgreSQL hosting. Solaris > 10 with PostgreSQL on a Zone. Maybe another server with OpenBSD. They > could then upsell their support to those hosted sites that have growing > traffic. > > As for mass emailing, I think instead they should create a newsletter > they send out to subscribers. It could be filled with useful tips and > ideas (at the bottom they could provide their contact information and > services provided). This way, people would look forward to reading > their material and have positive associations of the company. > > Just my 2 cents > > Regards, > Karen oracle sucks :-) merlin
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 01/19/07 11:51, Guy Fraser wrote: > On Thu, 2007-01-18 at 17:48 -0800, Richard Troy wrote: >> On Thu, 18 Jan 2007, Joshua D. Drake wrote: [snip] > I feel that all @en25.com and @enterprisedb.com should be > considered for banning from the PostgreSQL mailing lists without > a better apology than has been given to date: You'll want mercy when *you* have been accused of a major crime by an overzealous prosecutor. http://www.norwichbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070106/NEWS01/701060312/1002/NEWS17 http://www.norwichbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070105/NEWS01/70105039 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/11/spyware_teacher/ http://www.networkworld.com/community/?q=node/10460 http://abcnews.go.com/2020/LegalCenter/story?id=2785054&page=3 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFFsTbdS9HxQb37XmcRAi9YAJ0ayGEISK9yyNvvKxscANOOkL8+ewCeNUBq vF2kJgNHLgSVKOk5ByDQJvc= =1iGq -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Fri, 19 Jan 2007 13:51:18 -0500, Merlin Moncure wrote: > one second it took to move the mail to my spam folder. Yes, we all know > how annoying and stupid spam is but there is a human element here that > puts things in slightly different light, don't you think? Absolutely! I'd like to know how the human element got my email, and why it decided to collect it in the first place. -h