Обсуждение: /contrib/retep to gborg
I think we should move /contrib/retep to gborg. It is 400k and isn't anywhere near our core functionality. I will add to TODO: Move /contrib/retep to gborg Can I move this during beta? I don't think so. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001+ If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania19073
Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes:
> I think we should move /contrib/retep to gborg. It is 400k and isn't
> anywhere near our core functionality. I will add to TODO:
> Move /contrib/retep to gborg
> Can I move this during beta? I don't think so.
Why not?
Feature addition during beta is frowned on, but I never heard anyone say
you couldn't remove features during beta. (In fact that's a pretty
standard response to serious bugs, no?)
Whether retep *should* be moved is not something I feel qualified to
comment on, but I don't put any stock in an argument that it can't
be done simply because we're in beta.
regards, tom lane
Tom Lane wrote: > Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes: > > I think we should move /contrib/retep to gborg. It is 400k and isn't > > anywhere near our core functionality. I will add to TODO: > > Move /contrib/retep to gborg > > Can I move this during beta? I don't think so. > > Why not? > > Feature addition during beta is frowned on, but I never heard anyone say > you couldn't remove features during beta. (In fact that's a pretty > standard response to serious bugs, no?) > > Whether retep *should* be moved is not something I feel qualified to > comment on, but I don't put any stock in an argument that it can't > be done simply because we're in beta. retep are specialized java tools. They are quite far removed from our core system and have had almost zero activity or mention since being added a few years ago. I am concerned that removing them may cause instability, particularly in some of the java build scripts. That's why I am suggesting not doing it during beta. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001+ If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania19073
Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes:
> I am concerned that removing them may cause instability, particularly in
> some of the java build scripts. That's why I am suggesting not doing it
> during beta.
Actually, it looks to me like they belong with the JDBC driver. As long
as JDBC is in the main distro, I think we should leave contrib/retep
there too.
There was some talk of moving JDBC to gborg, but I'm not sure what the
plan is, if any.
regards, tom lane
> -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Lane [mailto:tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us] > Sent: 19 October 2002 17:17 > To: Bruce Momjian > Cc: PostgreSQL-development > Subject: Re: [HACKERS] /contrib/retep to gborg > > > Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes: > > I am concerned that removing them may cause instability, > particularly > > in some of the java build scripts. That's why I am suggesting not > > doing it during beta. > > Actually, it looks to me like they belong with the JDBC > driver. As long as JDBC is in the main distro, I think we > should leave contrib/retep there too. > > There was some talk of moving JDBC to gborg, but I'm not sure > what the plan is, if any. Marc asked me to sort it along with some other things, but when I spoke to Barry he didn't want to move. I passed it back to Marc. Regards, Dave.
Tom Lane wrote: > Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes: > > I am concerned that removing them may cause instability, particularly in > > some of the java build scripts. That's why I am suggesting not doing it > > during beta. > > Actually, it looks to me like they belong with the JDBC driver. As long > as JDBC is in the main distro, I think we should leave contrib/retep > there too. Well, the top of the /contrib/retep README has: Before you ask what retepTools are, they are my personal suite ofutilities. About 90% of them are JDBC related (either theyuse JDBC, orI use them in developing the JDBC driver). It is java, but only tangentially related to the driver. It is very far from our core functionality and seems better in gborg. Just because it is java doesn't mean it has to be near jdbc. > There was some talk of moving JDBC to gborg, but I'm not sure what the > plan is, if any. JDBC folks aren't excited about removing from the main cvs until the vitality of gborg is more proven. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001+ If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania19073
Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes:
> Tom Lane wrote:
>> Actually, it looks to me like they belong with the JDBC driver.
> It is java, but only tangentially related to the driver.
I doubt that either of us are qualified to opine on that point.
Perhaps you should be asking in pgsql-jdbc whether it's okay to remove
contrib/retep. If no one there objects, then I won't complain.
regards, tom lane
I don't object. In fact I have never even looked at this code before now. I doubt anyone else on the jdbc list would mind either, but it wouldn't hurt to ask. --Barry Tom Lane wrote: > Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes: > >>Tom Lane wrote: >> >>>Actually, it looks to me like they belong with the JDBC driver. >> > >>It is java, but only tangentially related to the driver. > > > I doubt that either of us are qualified to opine on that point. > Perhaps you should be asking in pgsql-jdbc whether it's okay to remove > contrib/retep. If no one there objects, then I won't complain. > > regards, tom lane > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate > subscribe-nomail command to majordomo@postgresql.org so that your > message can get through to the mailing list cleanly >
I just shot an email over to jdbc. Let's see what they say. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Barry Lind wrote: > I don't object. In fact I have never even looked at this code before > now. I doubt anyone else on the jdbc list would mind either, but it > wouldn't hurt to ask. > > --Barry > > Tom Lane wrote: > > Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes: > > > >>Tom Lane wrote: > >> > >>>Actually, it looks to me like they belong with the JDBC driver. > >> > > > >>It is java, but only tangentially related to the driver. > > > > > > I doubt that either of us are qualified to opine on that point. > > Perhaps you should be asking in pgsql-jdbc whether it's okay to remove > > contrib/retep. If no one there objects, then I won't complain. > > > > regards, tom lane > > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > > TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate > > subscribe-nomail command to majordomo@postgresql.org so that your > > message can get through to the mailing list cleanly > > > > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate > subscribe-nomail command to majordomo@postgresql.org so that your > message can get through to the mailing list cleanly > -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001+ If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania19073
On Sat, 19 Oct 2002, Dave Page wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Lane [mailto:tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us] > > Sent: 19 October 2002 17:17 > > To: Bruce Momjian > > Cc: PostgreSQL-development > > Subject: Re: [HACKERS] /contrib/retep to gborg > > > > > > Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes: > > > I am concerned that removing them may cause instability, > > particularly > > > in some of the java build scripts. That's why I am suggesting not > > > doing it during beta. > > > > Actually, it looks to me like they belong with the JDBC > > driver. As long as JDBC is in the main distro, I think we > > should leave contrib/retep there too. > > > > There was some talk of moving JDBC to gborg, but I'm not sure > > what the plan is, if any. > > Marc asked me to sort it along with some other things, but when I spoke > to Barry he didn't want to move. I passed it back to Marc. I did say to Marc about removing contrib/retep several months ago, as more up to date versions have been on sourceforge for almost a year now. I agree with Bruce about the build scripts, but suggest once everything is done, to remove them. Peter -- Peter Mount peter@retep.org.uk http://www.retep.org.uk/Tel/Fax: +44 (0) 1622 749439 Mobile: +44 (0) 7903 155887 US Fax: 1 435 304 5165 US Voice: 1 435 304 5165
OK, /contrib/retep removed from CVS. Thanks. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Mount wrote: > On Sat, 19 Oct 2002, Dave Page wrote: > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Tom Lane [mailto:tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us] > > > Sent: 19 October 2002 17:17 > > > To: Bruce Momjian > > > Cc: PostgreSQL-development > > > Subject: Re: [HACKERS] /contrib/retep to gborg > > > > > > > > > Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes: > > > > I am concerned that removing them may cause instability, > > > particularly > > > > in some of the java build scripts. That's why I am suggesting not > > > > doing it during beta. > > > > > > Actually, it looks to me like they belong with the JDBC > > > driver. As long as JDBC is in the main distro, I think we > > > should leave contrib/retep there too. > > > > > > There was some talk of moving JDBC to gborg, but I'm not sure > > > what the plan is, if any. > > > > Marc asked me to sort it along with some other things, but when I spoke > > to Barry he didn't want to move. I passed it back to Marc. > > I did say to Marc about removing contrib/retep several months ago, as more > up to date versions have been on sourceforge for almost a year now. > > I agree with Bruce about the build scripts, but suggest once everything is > done, to remove them. > > Peter > > -- > Peter Mount > peter@retep.org.uk > http://www.retep.org.uk/ > Tel/Fax: +44 (0) 1622 749439 > Mobile: +44 (0) 7903 155887 > US Fax: 1 435 304 5165 > US Voice: 1 435 304 5165 > > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate > subscribe-nomail command to majordomo@postgresql.org so that your > message can get through to the mailing list cleanly > -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001+ If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania19073