Обсуждение: SAP and MySQL ...
This is what I have seen in the SAP DB mailing list this weekend ... Maybe all of us should have some fun. SAP has finally gone completely insane. I can already see Monty on every SAP advertisment *nocomment*. This is the worst thing I have ever seen. Hans SAP bets on MySQL The software giant SAP entered a partnership with the Swedish database developer MvSQL AB. Objective of this collaboration is the unified(?) development of a new Open-Source database system for Enterprise applications. This move fits well into the concept of SAP to reduce the commercial importance of database server. .... <snip> some general words about MySQL & SAPDB </snip> .... After a multi-year collaboration and based on both products (MySQL & SAPDB), a new server shall be developed. [Grammatically, it isn't 100% clear if this "multi-year collaboration" refers to the past of to something that has yet to come]. "The primary responsibility of the development lies at MySQL", declares SAP speaker Karl-Heinz Hess in a newsletter. Support for the database will be divided between MySQL & SAPDB. As a side-effect SAP will gain open access to the giant community of MySQL specialists and developers. Until the new system is finished, the current SAPDB will be continued in Walldorf, but under the name MySQL. The new branding shall expressively be the only change that current SAPDB user have to get accustomed with.</end> .... -- Cybertec Geschwinde u Schoenig Ludo-Hartmannplatz 1/14, A-1160 Vienna, Austria Tel: +43/2952/30706; +43/664/233 90 75 www.cybertec.at, www.postgresql.at, kernel.cybertec.at
Hi, There was a german article in heise news. See http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/hps-23.05.03-000/. MySQL gets stored procedures and transactions and all the nice features, you need for a real database (and postgresql already has) by throwing the code away an replacing it with sapdb. Tommi Am Sonntag, 25. Mai 2003 21:37 schrieb Hans-Jürgen Schönig: > This is what I have seen in the SAP DB mailing list this weekend ... > Maybe all of us should have some fun. > > SAP has finally gone completely insane. > I can already see Monty on every SAP advertisment *nocomment*. > This is the worst thing I have ever seen. > > Hans > > > SAP bets on MySQL > The software giant SAP entered a partnership with the Swedish database > developer MvSQL AB. Objective of this collaboration is the unified(?) > development of a new Open-Source database system for Enterprise > applications. This move fits well into the concept of SAP to reduce the > commercial importance of database server. > > .... > <snip> some general words about MySQL & SAPDB </snip> > .... > > After a multi-year collaboration and based on both products (MySQL & > SAPDB), a new server shall be developed. [Grammatically, it isn't 100% > clear if this "multi-year collaboration" refers to the past of to something > that has yet to come]. "The primary responsibility of the development lies > at MySQL", declares SAP speaker Karl-Heinz Hess in a newsletter. Support > for the database will be divided between MySQL & SAPDB. As a side-effect > SAP will gain open access to the giant community of MySQL specialists and > developers. > > Until the new system is finished, the current SAPDB will be continued in > Walldorf, but under the name MySQL. The new branding shall expressively be > the only change that current SAPDB user have to get accustomed with.</end> > .... -- Dr. Eckhardt + Partner GmbH http://www.epgmbh.de
Tommi Maekitalo wrote: > Hi, > > There was a german article in heise news. See > http://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/hps-23.05.03-000/. > > MySQL gets stored procedures and transactions and all the nice features, you > need for a real database (and postgresql already has) by throwing the code > away an replacing it with sapdb. Hardly. SAP failed on the attempt to open source ADABAS even more miserably than Borland with Interbase. Now it looks like they found someone who said "we know open source, we can do that, oh pick me, me, me, pick meeeeee!" MySQL on the other hand has for sure a big user community and is one of the favorite open source projects of the IT press. What all the lemming-like humpty-dumpty article writers fail to understand is the difference between a user- and a core developer community. The latter mainly consists of 2 people in the MySQL case, Monty and David. I doubt that those two can drop the support for the existing MySQL user base anytime soon. And while sure converting everything from MySQL to SAPDB would be a good idea, there are probably more people in the world who know how to convert MySQL to PostgreSQL than to SAPDB ... hehe. Jan > > > Tommi > > > Am Sonntag, 25. Mai 2003 21:37 schrieb Hans-Jürgen Schönig: >> This is what I have seen in the SAP DB mailing list this weekend ... >> Maybe all of us should have some fun. >> >> SAP has finally gone completely insane. >> I can already see Monty on every SAP advertisment *nocomment*. >> This is the worst thing I have ever seen. >> >> Hans >> >> >> SAP bets on MySQL >> The software giant SAP entered a partnership with the Swedish database >> developer MvSQL AB. Objective of this collaboration is the unified(?) >> development of a new Open-Source database system for Enterprise >> applications. This move fits well into the concept of SAP to reduce the >> commercial importance of database server. >> >> .... >> <snip> some general words about MySQL & SAPDB </snip> >> .... >> >> After a multi-year collaboration and based on both products (MySQL & >> SAPDB), a new server shall be developed. [Grammatically, it isn't 100% >> clear if this "multi-year collaboration" refers to the past of to something >> that has yet to come]. "The primary responsibility of the development lies >> at MySQL", declares SAP speaker Karl-Heinz Hess in a newsletter. Support >> for the database will be divided between MySQL & SAPDB. As a side-effect >> SAP will gain open access to the giant community of MySQL specialists and >> developers. >> >> Until the new system is finished, the current SAPDB will be continued in >> Walldorf, but under the name MySQL. The new branding shall expressively be >> the only change that current SAPDB user have to get accustomed with.</end> >> .... > -- #======================================================================# # It's easier to get forgiveness for being wrong than for being right. # # Let's break this rule - forgive me. # #================================================== JanWieck@Yahoo.com #
> Hardly.
>
> SAP failed on the attempt to open source ADABAS even more miserably than
> Borland with Interbase. Now it looks like they found someone who said
> "we know open source, we can do that, oh pick me, me, me, pick meeeeee!"
that's what i think as well.
by the way: did you see that MySQL AB has got $19.5mio of new cash.
> MySQL on the other hand has for sure a big user community and is one of
> the favorite open source projects of the IT press. What all the
> lemming-like humpty-dumpty article writers fail to understand is the
> difference between a user- and a core developer community. The latter
> mainly consists of 2 people in the MySQL case, Monty and David.
i think i haven't seen a single patch for SAP DB on the mailing list in
months. i don't think they have a single open source developer.
we thought chosing SAP DB as a second database platform (just to be more
independent from PostgreSQL) would be a good idea. we have invested a
lot of time to find out that they cannot compete with PostgreSQL.
Writing precompiler code was painful. Thanks to Michael Meskes and
others doing it for PostgreSQL is easy.
We tried to port stored procedures returning cursors but it took me a
week to find out how to ACCESS this cursor returned by the stored procedure.
i tried to install SAP DB on RedHat - it did not even start.
have fun, Monty ;).
> I doubt that those two can drop the support for the existing MySQL user
> base anytime soon. And while sure converting everything from MySQL to
> SAPDB would be a good idea, there are probably more people in the world
> who know how to convert MySQL to PostgreSQL than to SAPDB ... hehe.
exactly. converting to sap db is some sort of pain. not so much the data
but things such as stored procedures and so forth.
still, i think selling postgresql might be more difficult in the future
because "you don't have real features" won't work that nicely anymore.
let's hope for the best and let's hope that we can keep kicking their
butts in the future.
Regards,
Hans @ MySQL free zone
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