Обсуждение: Grass Root Protectionism

On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Boycott Tech Forums
<boycotttechforums@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I am a Sr. Software Engineer in USA who (like many others) have been
> unfairly treated with offshore software engineers who have the audacity to
> take our jobs, yet ask (mostly) American engineers to help them with their
> technical challenges via Technical Forums (like this one).
>
> One solution is a bit of Grass Root Protectionism by boycotting technical
> forums. Perhaps if it takes an offshore engineer 2 hours to solve a problem,
> then the employer would see the real cost implication.
>
> I encourage American engineers who spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to
> develop their skills not to give it away so freely.

Without foreign engineers working on pgsql it wouldn't be nearly as
far along as it is today.

I live and work in America, but I am not about to sign on to this shit.

Oh, and might I ask what you've done for pgsql, Mr. hiding behind an
anonymous email address at yahoo?

Scott Marlowe wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Boycott Tech Forums
> <boycotttechforums@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I am a Sr. Software Engineer in USA who (like many others) have been
> > unfairly treated with offshore software engineers who have the audacity to
> > take our jobs, yet ask (mostly) American engineers to help them with their
> > technical challenges via Technical Forums (like this one).
> >
> > One solution is a bit of Grass Root Protectionism by boycotting technical
> > forums. Perhaps if it takes an offshore engineer 2 hours to solve a problem,
> > then the employer would see the real cost implication.
> >
> > I encourage American engineers who spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to
> > develop their skills not to give it away so freely.
> 
> Without foreign engineers working on pgsql it wouldn't be nearly as
> far along as it is today.

It is larger than that.  Without non-US developers, Postgres would be
less than half what it is today, meaning that US Postgres users need to
thank the non-US developers for their work over the past 12 years of
community Postgres development.  It is US people who are benefitting
more from the relationship, not non-US people.

This is true of many open source projects.

--  Bruce Momjian  <bruce@momjian.us>        http://momjian.us EnterpriseDB
http://enterprisedb.com
 + If your life is a hard drive, Christ can be your backup. +

On Sat, 7 Feb 2009 22:40:11 -0800 (PST)
Boycott Tech Forums <boycotttechforums@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I am a Sr. Software Engineer in USA who (like many others) have been unfairly treated with offshore software
engineerswho have the audacity to take our jobs, yet ask (mostly) American engineers to help them with their technical
challengesvia Technical Forums (like this one).   
 

Wow!  Someone's email program is really borked.  This message has
obviously been stuck somewhere since the 19th century.

Hey buddy, I know what I, a non-American, have done for this project.
What have you done?

What's next?  Only help white folks?

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"D'Arcy J.M. Cain" <darcy@druid.net> writes:
> What's next?  Only help white folks?

This guy doesn't really deserve being responded to.  Just ignore him.
        regards, tom lane

On Sun, 08 Feb 2009 10:39:26 -0500
Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote:
> "D'Arcy J.M. Cain" <darcy@druid.net> writes:
> > What's next?  Only help white folks?
> 
> This guy doesn't really deserve being responded to.  Just ignore him.

Yes, as I was hitting the send key I wondered if he was just a troll
but he managed to hit a few of my buttons.  In fact, I wouldn't be
surprised if he wasn't even reading this list.  I removed him from this
reply.

Cheers.

-- 
D'Arcy J.M. Cain <darcy@druid.net>         |  Democracy is three wolves
http://www.druid.net/darcy/                |  and a sheep voting on
+1 416 425 1212     (DoD#0082)    (eNTP)   |  what's for dinner.

On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 1:50 AM, Scott Marlowe <scott.marlowe@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Boycott Tech Forums
> <boycotttechforums@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I am a Sr. Software Engineer in USA who (like many others) have been
>> unfairly treated with offshore software engineers who have the audacity to
>> take our jobs, yet ask (mostly) American engineers to help them with their
>> technical challenges via Technical Forums (like this one).
>>
>> One solution is a bit of Grass Root Protectionism by boycotting technical
>> forums. Perhaps if it takes an offshore engineer 2 hours to solve a problem,
>> then the employer would see the real cost implication.
>>
>> I encourage American engineers who spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to
>> develop their skills not to give it away so freely.
>
> Without foreign engineers working on pgsql it wouldn't be nearly as
> far along as it is today.
>
> I live and work in America, but I am not about to sign on to this shit.

I don't think anyone should take this seriously. If your job is doing
something that someone else can do almost as well, you're going to
find yourself out of work once in a while. Hoarding trivial
information is not going to help you with that - quite the opposite I
think.

Someone should point out to this "Senior Engineer" that America was
built by foreigner labor. Heterogeneity is our greatest asset. But
it's not going to be me because I think the whole thing is just a
troll or an email harvester. I'm not sure which.

Mike

Bruce Momjian writes:
> Without non-US developers, Postgres would be less than half what it is
> today

Without non-US developers, Postgres would be _much_ less than half what it
is today, just as it would be much less than half of what it is today
without US developers.  Cooperation, like trade, is a positive sum game.

> It is US people who are benefitting more from the relationship, not
> non-US people.

All are benefitting.  The notion that someone is "winning" and therefor
someone else must be "losing" is the OP's false thesis.
-- 
John Hasler 
john@dhh.gt.org
Elmwood, WI USA

D'Arcy J.M. Cain writes:
> Hey buddy, I know what I, a non-American, have done for this project.
> What have you done?

I expect that this guy would tell you that all Free Software is evil and
takes food out of the mouths of his children.
-- 
John Hasler 
john@dhh.gt.org
Elmwood, WI USA

----- Original Message -----

From: Boycott Tech Forums

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Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 6:40 AM

Subject: [SQL] Grass Root Protectionism

I am a Sr. Software Engineer in USA who (like many others) have been unfairly treated with offshore software engineers who have the audacity to take our jobs, yet ask (mostly) American engineers to help them with their technical challenges via Technical Forums (like this one).

One solution is a bit of Grass Root Protectionism by boycotting technical forums. Perhaps if it takes an offshore engineer 2 hours to solve a problem, then the employer would see the real cost implication.

I encourage American engineers who spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to develop their skills not to give it away so freely.

Spread the word...
Boycott Tech Forums

Tom Lane wrote:
> "D'Arcy J.M. Cain" <darcy@druid.net> writes:
>> What's next?  Only help white folks?
>
> This guy doesn't really deserve being responded to.  Just ignore him.
>
>             regards, tom lane
>
You're right, just ignore ignore him.
As we say in France : il y a des cons partout.

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