Обсуждение: Google ads gripe
Hi guys, I'm sure it's paying for some of the infrastructure, I'm slightly concerned that virtually every page I visit on Gborg or Archives is trying to sell me pgsqlmanager or some other commercial PostgreSQL product, whilst all the ads for pgAdmin and other FOSS tools and products are now gone. Whilst I'm sure pgsqlmanager is all very nice, it does leave Open Source tools somewhat out in the dark and will might well leave people thinking that the DB server is free, but then we sting them for any tools. Or is this just me being unfairly biased? Regards, Dave
On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Dave Page wrote: > Hi guys, > > I'm sure it's paying for some of the infrastructure, I'm slightly > concerned that virtually every page I visit on Gborg or Archives is > trying to sell me pgsqlmanager or some other commercial PostgreSQL > product, whilst all the ads for pgAdmin and other FOSS tools and > products are now gone. > > Whilst I'm sure pgsqlmanager is all very nice, it does leave Open Source > tools somewhat out in the dark and will might well leave people thinking > that the DB server is free, but then we sting them for any tools. > > Or is this just me being unfairly biased? You being unfairly biased ... whenever I go, I see CommandPrompt as being the hosting solution *shrug* ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Dave Page wrote: > > > Hi guys, > > > > I'm sure it's paying for some of the infrastructure, I'm slightly > > concerned that virtually every page I visit on Gborg or Archives is > > trying to sell me pgsqlmanager or some other commercial PostgreSQL > > product, whilst all the ads for pgAdmin and other FOSS tools and > > products are now gone. > > > > Whilst I'm sure pgsqlmanager is all very nice, it does leave Open Source > > tools somewhat out in the dark and will might well leave people thinking > > that the DB server is free, but then we sting them for any tools. > > > > Or is this just me being unfairly biased? > > You being unfairly biased ... whenever I go, I see CommandPrompt as being > the hosting solution *shrug* I kind of like the ads myself. It shows project activity. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073
On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Dave Page wrote: >> >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> I'm sure it's paying for some of the infrastructure, I'm slightly >>> concerned that virtually every page I visit on Gborg or Archives is >>> trying to sell me pgsqlmanager or some other commercial PostgreSQL >>> product, whilst all the ads for pgAdmin and other FOSS tools and >>> products are now gone. >>> >>> Whilst I'm sure pgsqlmanager is all very nice, it does leave Open Source >>> tools somewhat out in the dark and will might well leave people thinking >>> that the DB server is free, but then we sting them for any tools. >>> >>> Or is this just me being unfairly biased? >> >> You being unfairly biased ... whenever I go, I see CommandPrompt as being >> the hosting solution *shrug* > > I kind of like the ads myself. It shows project activity. IMHO, it not only shows project activity, but it shows commercial involvement in the sense of support tools ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
-----Original Message----- From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:scrappy@postgresql.org] Sent: Tue 10/5/2004 7:09 PM To: Dave Page Cc: PostgreSQL WWW Mailing List Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Google ads gripe > On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Dave Page wrote: > > > Or is this just me being unfairly biased? > > You being unfairly biased ... whenever I go, I see CommandPrompt as being > the hosting solution *shrug* That's hardly a fair comparison though - pgAdmin, like phpPgAdmin phpPgAdmin and all the other open source projects thatare part of the community surrounding PostgreSQL are almost exclusively voluteer driven. As a prift making business,Hub.org can budget for and buy ads with Google if they like. It's not really an option for us. Regards, Dave
-----Original Message----- From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:scrappy@postgresql.org] Sent: Tue 10/5/2004 7:33 PM To: Bruce Momjian Cc: Marc G. Fournier; Dave Page; PostgreSQL WWW Mailing List Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Google ads gripe > On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Bruce Momjian wrote: > >> Marc G. Fournier wrote: >> I kind of like the ads myself. It shows project activity. > > IMHO, it not only shows project activity, but it shows commercial > involvement in the sense of support tools ... Don't misunderstand me, I'm not against commercial companies advertising their products and services on the websites - Iagree, I think it's a good thing. I just don't think the community projects should get zero exposure, which is effectivelywhats happening now. We need to strike a balance imho so that users can see easily that they have both commercialand FOSS options, and not have to figure out what pgFoundry or GBorg are just to find an alternative. What about adding the old project ads into the remaining ads.postgresql.org set? Regards. Dave
On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Dave Page wrote: > That's hardly a fair comparison though - pgAdmin, like phpPgAdmin > phpPgAdmin and all the other open source projects that are part of the > community surrounding PostgreSQL are almost exclusively voluteer driven. > As a prift making business, Hub.org can budget for and buy ads with > Google if they like. It's not really an option for us. Don't you have an ad on the main banner in the top left? If not, get me one ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Dave Page wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:scrappy@postgresql.org] > Sent: Tue 10/5/2004 7:33 PM > To: Bruce Momjian > Cc: Marc G. Fournier; Dave Page; PostgreSQL WWW Mailing List > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Google ads gripe > >> On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Bruce Momjian wrote: >> >>> Marc G. Fournier wrote: >>> I kind of like the ads myself. It shows project activity. >> >> IMHO, it not only shows project activity, but it shows commercial >> involvement in the sense of support tools ... > > Don't misunderstand me, I'm not against commercial companies advertising their products and services on the websites -I agree, I think it's a good thing. I just don't think the community projects should get zero exposure, which is effectivelywhats happening now. We need to strike a balance imho so that users can see easily that they have both commercialand FOSS options, and not have to figure out what pgFoundry or GBorg are just to find an alternative. > > What about adding the old project ads into the remaining > ads.postgresql.org set? They are supposed to be ... I re-wrote the code so that all available banners should be being displayed ... if they aren't, please let me know and I'll re-check my code, but last I checked, I had the phpPgAds banner up on the screen ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
-----Original Message----- From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:scrappy@postgresql.org] Sent: Tue 10/5/2004 8:34 PM To: Dave Page Cc: Marc G. Fournier; PostgreSQL WWW Mailing List Subject: RE: [pgsql-www] Google ads gripe > Don't you have an ad on the main banner in the top left? If not, get me > one ... No, ours was in the right hand set; the PostgreSQL projects cycle which is now gone. Well, I say that - you did say you weregoing to change it, but I currently see the same commercial one on both sides of www. They certainly seem to be gonefrom GBorg and archives though. If you haven't still got it, let me know and I'll send a copy. Thanks, Dave
-----Original Message----- From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:scrappy@postgresql.org] Sent: Tue 10/5/2004 8:35 PM To: Dave Page Cc: Marc G. Fournier; Bruce Momjian; PostgreSQL WWW Mailing List Subject: RE: [pgsql-www] Google ads gripe > They are supposed to be ... I re-wrote the code so that all available > banners should be being displayed ... if they aren't, please let me know > and I'll re-check my code, but last I checked, I had the phpPgAds banner > up on the screen ... Ahh, that should be OK then. I'll keep an eye out for it. How is that working from now on then - equal rotation for mirror providers and related projects, and send the commercialsto Google? Regards, Dave
On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Dave Page wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:scrappy@postgresql.org] > Sent: Tue 10/5/2004 8:34 PM > To: Dave Page > Cc: Marc G. Fournier; PostgreSQL WWW Mailing List > Subject: RE: [pgsql-www] Google ads gripe > >> Don't you have an ad on the main banner in the top left? If not, get me >> one ... > > No, ours was in the right hand set; the PostgreSQL projects cycle which is now gone. Well, I say that - you did say youwere going to change it, but I currently see the same commercial one on both sides of www. They certainly seem to be gonefrom GBorg and archives though. > > If you haven't still got it, let me know and I'll send a copy. I will work on fixing this over the next 24hrs ... it was supposed to cycle through both :( Actually, just checked the code, and the pgadmin banner has been cycling through ... at least from this end ... I've really gotta add 'click-thru tracking' :( ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Dave Page wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:scrappy@postgresql.org] > Sent: Tue 10/5/2004 8:35 PM > To: Dave Page > Cc: Marc G. Fournier; Bruce Momjian; PostgreSQL WWW Mailing List > Subject: RE: [pgsql-www] Google ads gripe > >> They are supposed to be ... I re-wrote the code so that all available >> banners should be being displayed ... if they aren't, please let me know >> and I'll re-check my code, but last I checked, I had the phpPgAds banner >> up on the screen ... > > Ahh, that should be OK then. I'll keep an eye out for it. > > How is that working from now on then - equal rotation for mirror > providers and related projects, and send the commercials to Google? Have a few commericial ones in the cycle for the physical banners, most its *mostly* projects/mirrors ... I think there are 6 out of ~30 that are 'paid' ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
> Actually, just checked the code, and the pgadmin banner has > been cycling through ... at least from this end ... I've > really gotta add 'click-thru tracking' :( Why not just use phppgads ? ... John
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, John Hansen wrote: >> Actually, just checked the code, and the pgadmin banner has >> been cycling through ... at least from this end ... I've >> really gotta add 'click-thru tracking' :( > > Why not just use phppgads ? Looked at it way back, and *way* overcomplicated for what we're doing ... ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
> >> Actually, just checked the code, and the pgadmin banner has > >> been cycling through ... at least from this end ... I've > >> really gotta add 'click-thru tracking' :( > > > > Why not just use phppgads ? > > Looked at it way back, and *way* overcomplicated for what we're doing ... > Hmmm, I use it across all our sites, and have found it a quite valuable tool. And not all that complicated, if I may say so mysqlf.. err myself.. - LOL - I actually made that typo while typing this, just thought I'd share that, hehe > ---- > Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) > Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
let's talk offlist then ... :) On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, John Hansen wrote: >>>> Actually, just checked the code, and the pgadmin banner has >>>> been cycling through ... at least from this end ... I've >>>> really gotta add 'click-thru tracking' :( >>> >>> Why not just use phppgads ? >> >> Looked at it way back, and *way* overcomplicated for what we're doing ... >> > > Hmmm, I use it across all our sites, and have found it a quite valuable > tool. And not all that complicated, if I may say so mysqlf.. err > myself.. - LOL - I actually made that typo while typing this, just > thought I'd share that, hehe > >> ---- >> Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) >> Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664 > > ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
> -----Original Message----- > From: Marc G. Fournier [mailto:scrappy@postgresql.org] > Sent: 05 October 2004 21:12 > To: Dave Page > Cc: Bruce Momjian; PostgreSQL WWW Mailing List > Subject: RE: [pgsql-www] Google ads gripe > > Have a few commericial ones in the cycle for the physical > banners, most its *mostly* projects/mirrors ... I think there > are 6 out of ~30 that are 'paid' ... That's good - once the commercial ones have expired, it'd probably be worth rewriting the server just to do a plain sequential cycle. Should reduce the load a bit... /D