Обсуждение: Movement of FAQ's
I have moved the Cygwin FAQ to FAQ_CYGWIN and created a new Win32 FAQ called FAQ_MINGW. Please update the web site list. Thanks. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073
On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 13:05, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> I have moved the Cygwin FAQ to FAQ_CYGWIN and created a new Win32 FAQ
> called FAQ_MINGW. Please update the web site list. Thanks.
>
Have you spoken with the cygwin/win32 projects about this? I was
involved in a discussion just the other day on how best to handle cygwin
vs. native vs. generic win32 issues that seems to be mixed within the
two projects FAQ's; I'm wondering if some guidelines came out of that
discussion.
Robert Treat
--
Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL
On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Bruce Momjian wrote: > I have moved the Cygwin FAQ to FAQ_CYGWIN and created a new Win32 FAQ > called FAQ_MINGW. Please update the web site list. Thanks. Ummm, wouldn't it make more sense to call it FAQ_WIN32? MingW is the compiler, no? I thought Borland worked as well? ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
> -----Original Message----- > From: pgsql-www-owner@postgresql.org > [mailto:pgsql-www-owner@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Momjian > Sent: 08 October 2004 18:06 > To: PostgreSQL www > Subject: [pgsql-www] Movement of FAQ's > > I have moved the Cygwin FAQ to FAQ_CYGWIN and created a new > Win32 FAQ called FAQ_MINGW. Please update the web site list. Thanks. Hi Bruce, I've updated the files. It might be worth replacing the FAQ_MINGW.html with a tweaked version of http://pginstaller.projects.postgresql.org/FAQ_windows.html. The vast majority of it is not installer specific, and it does include most of the FAQs we've seen so far. Regards, Dave.
Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > I have moved the Cygwin FAQ to FAQ_CYGWIN and created a new Win32 FAQ > > called FAQ_MINGW. Please update the web site list. Thanks. > > Ummm, wouldn't it make more sense to call it FAQ_WIN32? MingW is the > compiler, no? I thought Borland worked as well? No, MinGW is the compile environment. Borland and MSVC only compile clients and these FAQ's don't deal with that. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073
Dave Page wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: pgsql-www-owner@postgresql.org > > [mailto:pgsql-www-owner@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Momjian > > Sent: 08 October 2004 18:06 > > To: PostgreSQL www > > Subject: [pgsql-www] Movement of FAQ's > > > > I have moved the Cygwin FAQ to FAQ_CYGWIN and created a new > > Win32 FAQ called FAQ_MINGW. Please update the web site list. Thanks. > > Hi Bruce, > > I've updated the files. It might be worth replacing the FAQ_MINGW.html > with a tweaked version of > http://pginstaller.projects.postgresql.org/FAQ_windows.html. The vast > majority of it is not installer specific, and it does include most of > the FAQs we've seen so far. Yes, most is installer-specific but there is some overlap. Let me work it out with Magnus. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073
> -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:pgman@candle.pha.pa.us] > Sent: 09 October 2004 01:30 > To: Dave Page > Cc: PostgreSQL www > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Movement of FAQ's > > > Yes, most is installer-specific but there is some overlap. > Let me work it out with Magnus. > Err, OK. You did notice that I wrote it, not Magnus? Regards, Dave.
Dave Page wrote: > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:pgman@candle.pha.pa.us] > > Sent: 09 October 2004 01:30 > > To: Dave Page > > Cc: PostgreSQL www > > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Movement of FAQ's > > > > > > Yes, most is installer-specific but there is some overlap. > > Let me work it out with Magnus. > > > > Err, OK. You did notice that I wrote it, not Magnus? Oh, no I didn't. Would you like to make adjustments to it and/or FAQ_MINGW so they point to each other and don't duplicate information? -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073
> -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:pgman@candle.pha.pa.us] > Sent: 11 October 2004 03:22 > To: Dave Page > Cc: PostgreSQL www > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Movement of FAQ's > > Dave Page wrote: > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:pgman@candle.pha.pa.us] > > > Sent: 09 October 2004 01:30 > > > To: Dave Page > > > Cc: PostgreSQL www > > > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Movement of FAQ's > > > > > > > > > Yes, most is installer-specific but there is some overlap. > > > Let me work it out with Magnus. > > > > > > > Err, OK. You did notice that I wrote it, not Magnus? > > Oh, no I didn't. Would you like to make adjustments to it > and/or FAQ_MINGW so they point to each other and don't > duplicate information? I'm not entirely convinced that's the right answer. The main concern is making things easy for the users - that's what I've tried to do with the installer faq (which I now notice Magnus has been editting!) by covering both installer specific stuff, and non-installer specific; a kindof 1 stop shop for all Win32 faqs. I appreciate that we don't necessarily want the installer stuff in the main tree however. What about making the version in the tree a subset of our one, simply covering the mingw/compiliation issues which I can include in one standalone section in our faq? Regard,s Dave.
Dave Page wrote: > > Oh, no I didn't. Would you like to make adjustments to it > > and/or FAQ_MINGW so they point to each other and don't > > duplicate information? > > I'm not entirely convinced that's the right answer. The main concern is > making things easy for the users - that's what I've tried to do with the > installer faq (which I now notice Magnus has been editting!) by covering > both installer specific stuff, and non-installer specific; a kindof 1 > stop shop for all Win32 faqs. I appreciate that we don't necessarily > want the installer stuff in the main tree however. What about making the > version in the tree a subset of our one, simply covering the > mingw/compiliation issues which I can include in one standalone section > in our faq? Both FAQ's are going to change over time, I am sure. I see no problem in giving them a web link to the FAQ_MINGW for compilation issues. Having the Mingw outside our CVS doesn't make sense to me. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073
> -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:pgman@candle.pha.pa.us] > Sent: 11 October 2004 16:03 > To: Dave Page > Cc: PostgreSQL www > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Movement of FAQ's > > Dave Page wrote: > > > Oh, no I didn't. Would you like to make adjustments to it and/or > > > FAQ_MINGW so they point to each other and don't duplicate > > > information? > > > > I'm not entirely convinced that's the right answer. The > main concern > > is making things easy for the users - that's what I've tried to do > > with the installer faq (which I now notice Magnus has been > editting!) > > by covering both installer specific stuff, and > non-installer specific; > > a kindof 1 stop shop for all Win32 faqs. I appreciate that we don't > > necessarily want the installer stuff in the main tree however. What > > about making the version in the tree a subset of our one, simply > > covering the mingw/compiliation issues which I can include in one > > standalone section in our faq? > > Both FAQ's are going to change over time, I am sure. I see > no problem in giving them a web link to the FAQ_MINGW for > compilation issues. > Having the Mingw outside our CVS doesn't make sense to me. No, and I don't think it should be outside. What I would like to avoid if possible though, is having win32 problems split across different FAQs. Most end users won't care about whether something is a Mingw or Installer issue and will just get frustrated if they cannot find the info they need. I guess the best answer might be to clearly mark the Mingw FAQ as a diy-compilation FAQ, and include a link for 'normal' end users to the installer FAQ in which we try to include all relevant q&a's. Regards, Dave.
On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Dave Page wrote: > No, and I don't think it should be outside. What I would like to avoid > if possible though, is having win32 problems split across different > FAQs. Most end users won't care about whether something is a Mingw or > Installer issue and will just get frustrated if they cannot find the > info they need. > > I guess the best answer might be to clearly mark the Mingw FAQ as a > diy-compilation FAQ, and include a link for 'normal' end users to the > installer FAQ in which we try to include all relevant q&a's. Is there a reason why this can't just be one FAQ with a 'Compiler Issues' section? Are there *that* many Compiler specific issues that it warrants a whole FAQ to itself? ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email: scrappy@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664
Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Dave Page wrote: > > > No, and I don't think it should be outside. What I would like to avoid > > if possible though, is having win32 problems split across different > > FAQs. Most end users won't care about whether something is a Mingw or > > Installer issue and will just get frustrated if they cannot find the > > info they need. > > > > I guess the best answer might be to clearly mark the Mingw FAQ as a > > diy-compilation FAQ, and include a link for 'normal' end users to the > > installer FAQ in which we try to include all relevant q&a's. > > Is there a reason why this can't just be one FAQ with a 'Compiler Issues' > section? Are there *that* many Compiler specific issues that it warrants > a whole FAQ to itself? The compiler issues are of little interest to people who are downloading pginstaller, which is the majority of people. If he wants to pull the install information into the pginstaller FAQ, fine, but then we don't have instructions in our CVS on how to build using MinGW. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073
I have updated the MinGW FAQ with a new heading and pointing to the
pginstaller FAQ:
Compiling PostgreSQL On Native Win32 FAQ
Last updated: Thu Oct 14 18:22:57 EDT 2004
Current maintainer: Bruce Momjian (pgman@candle.pha.pa.us)
The most recent version of this document can be viewed at
http://momjian.postgresql.org/main/writings/pgsql/project/win32.html.
The FAQ for running PostgreSQL on native Win32 is at
http://pginstaller.projects.postgresql.org/FAQ_windows.html.
The native Win32 port is built from source using MinGW tools. There
is also a precompiled binary installer called
pginstaller which you can download from
http://pgfoundry.org/projects/pginstaller. It is a fully native build and
uses no additional software like MinGW.
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Dave Page wrote:
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:pgman@candle.pha.pa.us]
> > Sent: 11 October 2004 16:03
> > To: Dave Page
> > Cc: PostgreSQL www
> > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Movement of FAQ's
> >
> > Dave Page wrote:
> > > > Oh, no I didn't. Would you like to make adjustments to it and/or
> > > > FAQ_MINGW so they point to each other and don't duplicate
> > > > information?
> > >
> > > I'm not entirely convinced that's the right answer. The
> > main concern
> > > is making things easy for the users - that's what I've tried to do
> > > with the installer faq (which I now notice Magnus has been
> > editting!)
> > > by covering both installer specific stuff, and
> > non-installer specific;
> > > a kindof 1 stop shop for all Win32 faqs. I appreciate that we don't
> > > necessarily want the installer stuff in the main tree however. What
> > > about making the version in the tree a subset of our one, simply
> > > covering the mingw/compiliation issues which I can include in one
> > > standalone section in our faq?
> >
> > Both FAQ's are going to change over time, I am sure. I see
> > no problem in giving them a web link to the FAQ_MINGW for
> > compilation issues.
> > Having the Mingw outside our CVS doesn't make sense to me.
>
> No, and I don't think it should be outside. What I would like to avoid
> if possible though, is having win32 problems split across different
> FAQs. Most end users won't care about whether something is a Mingw or
> Installer issue and will just get frustrated if they cannot find the
> info they need.
>
> I guess the best answer might be to clearly mark the Mingw FAQ as a
> diy-compilation FAQ, and include a link for 'normal' end users to the
> installer FAQ in which we try to include all relevant q&a's.
>
> Regards, Dave.
>
--
Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us
pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001
+ If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road
+ Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073
Looks good to me - thanks! Regards, Dave. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:pgman@candle.pha.pa.us] > Sent: 14 October 2004 23:31 > To: Dave Page > Cc: PostgreSQL www > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Movement of FAQ's > > > I have updated the MinGW FAQ with a new heading and pointing > to the pginstaller FAQ: > > > Compiling PostgreSQL On Native Win32 FAQ > > > Last updated: Thu Oct 14 18:22:57 EDT 2004 > > Current maintainer: Bruce Momjian (pgman@candle.pha.pa.us) > > The most recent version of this document can be viewed at > > http://momjian.postgresql.org/main/writings/pgsql/project/win32.html. > > The FAQ for running PostgreSQL on native Win32 is at > http://pginstaller.projects.postgresql.org/FAQ_windows.html. > > The native Win32 port is built from source using MinGW > tools. There > is also a precompiled binary installer called > pginstaller which you can download from > http://pgfoundry.org/projects/pginstaller. It is a fully > native build and > uses no additional software like MinGW. > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------- > > Dave Page wrote: > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:pgman@candle.pha.pa.us] > > > Sent: 11 October 2004 16:03 > > > To: Dave Page > > > Cc: PostgreSQL www > > > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Movement of FAQ's > > > > > > Dave Page wrote: > > > > > Oh, no I didn't. Would you like to make adjustments to it > > > > > and/or FAQ_MINGW so they point to each other and > don't duplicate > > > > > information? > > > > > > > > I'm not entirely convinced that's the right answer. The > > > main concern > > > > is making things easy for the users - that's what I've > tried to do > > > > with the installer faq (which I now notice Magnus has been > > > editting!) > > > > by covering both installer specific stuff, and > > > non-installer specific; > > > > a kindof 1 stop shop for all Win32 faqs. I appreciate that we > > > > don't necessarily want the installer stuff in the main tree > > > > however. What about making the version in the tree a > subset of our > > > > one, simply covering the mingw/compiliation issues which I can > > > > include in one standalone section in our faq? > > > > > > Both FAQ's are going to change over time, I am sure. I see no > > > problem in giving them a web link to the FAQ_MINGW for > compilation > > > issues. > > > Having the Mingw outside our CVS doesn't make sense to me. > > > > No, and I don't think it should be outside. What I would > like to avoid > > if possible though, is having win32 problems split across different > > FAQs. Most end users won't care about whether something is > a Mingw or > > Installer issue and will just get frustrated if they cannot > find the > > info they need. > > > > I guess the best answer might be to clearly mark the Mingw FAQ as a > > diy-compilation FAQ, and include a link for 'normal' end > users to the > > installer FAQ in which we try to include all relevant q&a's. > > > > Regards, Dave. > > > > -- > Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us > pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 > + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road > + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, > Pennsylvania 19073 >
Dave Page wrote: > Looks good to me - thanks! Are you going to modify the pginstaller FAQ to remove mention of building and point to the MinGW FAQ? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Regards, Dave. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:pgman@candle.pha.pa.us] > > Sent: 14 October 2004 23:31 > > To: Dave Page > > Cc: PostgreSQL www > > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Movement of FAQ's > > > > > > I have updated the MinGW FAQ with a new heading and pointing > > to the pginstaller FAQ: > > > > > > Compiling PostgreSQL On Native Win32 FAQ > > > > > > Last updated: Thu Oct 14 18:22:57 EDT 2004 > > > > Current maintainer: Bruce Momjian (pgman@candle.pha.pa.us) > > > > The most recent version of this document can be viewed at > > > > http://momjian.postgresql.org/main/writings/pgsql/project/win32.html. > > > > The FAQ for running PostgreSQL on native Win32 is at > > http://pginstaller.projects.postgresql.org/FAQ_windows.html. > > > > The native Win32 port is built from source using MinGW > > tools. There > > is also a precompiled binary installer called > > pginstaller which you can download from > > http://pgfoundry.org/projects/pginstaller. It is a fully > > native build and > > uses no additional software like MinGW. > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------------- > > > > Dave Page wrote: > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:pgman@candle.pha.pa.us] > > > > Sent: 11 October 2004 16:03 > > > > To: Dave Page > > > > Cc: PostgreSQL www > > > > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Movement of FAQ's > > > > > > > > Dave Page wrote: > > > > > > Oh, no I didn't. Would you like to make adjustments to it > > > > > > and/or FAQ_MINGW so they point to each other and > > don't duplicate > > > > > > information? > > > > > > > > > > I'm not entirely convinced that's the right answer. The > > > > main concern > > > > > is making things easy for the users - that's what I've > > tried to do > > > > > with the installer faq (which I now notice Magnus has been > > > > editting!) > > > > > by covering both installer specific stuff, and > > > > non-installer specific; > > > > > a kindof 1 stop shop for all Win32 faqs. I appreciate that we > > > > > don't necessarily want the installer stuff in the main tree > > > > > however. What about making the version in the tree a > > subset of our > > > > > one, simply covering the mingw/compiliation issues which I can > > > > > include in one standalone section in our faq? > > > > > > > > Both FAQ's are going to change over time, I am sure. I see no > > > > problem in giving them a web link to the FAQ_MINGW for > > compilation > > > > issues. > > > > Having the Mingw outside our CVS doesn't make sense to me. > > > > > > No, and I don't think it should be outside. What I would > > like to avoid > > > if possible though, is having win32 problems split across different > > > FAQs. Most end users won't care about whether something is > > a Mingw or > > > Installer issue and will just get frustrated if they cannot > > find the > > > info they need. > > > > > > I guess the best answer might be to clearly mark the Mingw FAQ as a > > > diy-compilation FAQ, and include a link for 'normal' end > > users to the > > > installer FAQ in which we try to include all relevant q&a's. > > > > > > Regards, Dave. > > > > > > > -- > > Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us > > pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 > > + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road > > + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, > > Pennsylvania 19073 > > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? > > http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs/FAQ.html > -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073
> -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:pgman@candle.pha.pa.us] > Sent: 15 October 2004 17:03 > To: Dave Page > Cc: PostgreSQL www > Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Movement of FAQ's > > Dave Page wrote: > > Looks good to me - thanks! > > Are you going to modify the pginstaller FAQ to remove mention > of building and point to the MinGW FAQ? 'Tis on my todo :-) Regards, Dave