Обсуждение: Not receiving ml posts
Hi, all The number of posts I've been receiving from the pgsql mailing lists I'm on has significantly dropped off. I do receive some, but only a handful a day. I can tell from the archives that it's not the case that the lists have become more quiet: I'm just not getting all of them. I don't see any pattern as to which I'm receiving. I've checked with my host and they haven't been able to see any problems on their end. Could someone take a look on the pgsql end and see if messages are bouncing, and if so, with what errors? I'm subscribed to at least -hackers, -general, -committers, and I believe -patches with this account. (I've actually tried to resubscribe to -www, but haven't yet received the confirmation email after 24 hours.) Thanks! If there's anything I can do to help this along, please let me know, cc'ing me if you're sending to the list. Michael Glaesemann grzm seespotcode net
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Think I found it, but not 100% certain, since it shouldn't have affected outbound stuff, only inbound ... - --On Thursday, November 16, 2006 00:04:58 +0900 Michael Glaesemann <grzm@seespotcode.net> wrote: > Hi, all > > The number of posts I've been receiving from the pgsql mailing lists I'm on > has significantly dropped off. I do receive some, but only a handful a day. I > can tell from the archives that it's not the case that the lists have become > more quiet: I'm just not getting all of them. I don't see any pattern as to > which I'm receiving. I've checked with my host and they haven't been able to > see any problems on their end. Could someone take a look on the pgsql end and > see if messages are bouncing, and if so, with what errors? I'm subscribed to > at least -hackers, -general, -committers, and I believe -patches with this > account. (I've actually tried to resubscribe to -www, but haven't yet > received the confirmation email after 24 hours.) > > Thanks! If there's anything I can do to help this along, please let me know, > cc'ing me if you're sending to the list. > > Michael Glaesemann > grzm seespotcode net > > > - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFWz024QvfyHIvDvMRAmgPAJ0Rov8pu53qGa8QVCytJqGn9t3GXACcDGKF kGu0OGlzE+sQvDTdDAJI5Co= =oduH -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Thursday, November 16, 2006 11:07:45 +0900 Michael Glaesemann <grzm@seespotcode.net> wrote: > > On Nov 16, 2006, at 0:04 , Michael Glaesemann wrote: > >> The number of posts I've been receiving from the pgsql mailing >> lists I'm on has significantly dropped off. I do receive some, but >> only a handful a day. I can tell from the archives that it's not >> the case that the lists have become more quiet: I'm just not >> getting all of them. > > Marc, > > Thanks for looking into this. I can see from the ml archives that you > responded and cc'd me, but I didn't even get that mail. :( Did you get a > bounce? What seems to be the problem? Is there anything more that I can check > on my end or with my host? I've been checking my spam folder, and my pgsql > mail is not ending up there. According to my maillog file, your server received my response: Nov 15 12:15:53 hub postfix/smtp[31389]: 96F1911A2DD: to=<grzm@seespotcode.net>, relay=mail.seespotcode.net[200.46.204.98]:25, delay=0.52, delays=0.11/0/0.31/0.09, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 Ok: queued as EAEB1127EF6B) Problem on your end? - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFW8kf4QvfyHIvDvMRAlozAJ4/D1gqzd+rU7BCFmRMNeYLu3WYnwCfS+ts JmlCkFLj4w5MBbetPiAlnN4= =AI31 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Michael Glaesemann <grzm@seespotcode.net> writes:
> The number of posts I've been receiving from the pgsql mailing lists
> I'm on has significantly dropped off.
In the same line --- Elein told me yesterday that she's been bounced
from all the PG mailing lists. What's going on there?
regards, tom lane
On Nov 16, 2006, at 0:04 , Michael Glaesemann wrote: > The number of posts I've been receiving from the pgsql mailing > lists I'm on has significantly dropped off. I do receive some, but > only a handful a day. I can tell from the archives that it's not > the case that the lists have become more quiet: I'm just not > getting all of them. Marc, Thanks for looking into this. I can see from the ml archives that you responded and cc'd me, but I didn't even get that mail. :( Did you get a bounce? What seems to be the problem? Is there anything more that I can check on my end or with my host? I've been checking my spam folder, and my pgsql mail is not ending up there. Thanks! Michael Glaesemann grzm seespotcode net
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Thursday, November 16, 2006 01:41:18 -0500 Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote: > Michael Glaesemann <grzm@seespotcode.net> writes: >> The number of posts I've been receiving from the pgsql mailing lists >> I'm on has significantly dropped off. > > In the same line --- Elein told me yesterday that she's been bounced > from all the PG mailing lists. What's going on there? Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=varlena.com type=MX: Host not found, try again DNS issue somewhere, but it looks like its only affecting her that I can tell: mx2# nslookup sss.pgh.pa.us Server: 200.46.204.13 Address: 200.46.204.13#53 Non-authoritative answer: Name: sss.pgh.pa.us Address: 66.207.139.130 mx2# nslookup eastlink.ca Server: 200.46.204.13 Address: 200.46.204.13#53 Non-authoritative answer: Name: eastlink.ca Address: 24.222.14.2 mx2# nslookup varlena.com ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached And its not a .com issue: # nslookup microsoft.com Server: 200.46.204.13 Address: 200.46.204.13#53 Non-authoritative answer: Name: microsoft.com Address: 207.46.130.108 Name: microsoft.com Address: 207.46.250.119 I just restarted the name server(s), and same result ... I've even disabled the change I made the other day to 'disable recursive', restarted, same result ... so it isn't related to any change I've made recently :( Anyone out there with more knowledge of DNS then I have any ideas? - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFXEbz4QvfyHIvDvMRAiWKAJ0Qd4s20bg8tVWgZ4cB4vBUIYcDsQCfb3HP 8Ld6Wo28fHh+1PM4mPWpZkw= =2wGy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
> I just restarted the name server(s), and same result ... I've > even disabled the change I made the other day to 'disable > recursive', restarted, same result ... > so it isn't related to any change I've made recently :( > > Anyone out there with more knowledge of DNS then I have any ideas? whois says the domain expired very recently, and was updated Nov 17th. My guess would be something expired before it was renewed and was dropped from the zones for a while. Now you're probably just waiting for the cache to clear... //Magnus
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Figured out Michael's problem, and have email'd him offlist about it ... - --On Thursday, November 16, 2006 00:04:58 +0900 Michael Glaesemann <grzm@seespotcode.net> wrote: > Hi, all > > The number of posts I've been receiving from the pgsql mailing lists I'm on > has significantly dropped off. I do receive some, but only a handful a day. I > can tell from the archives that it's not the case that the lists have become > more quiet: I'm just not getting all of them. I don't see any pattern as to > which I'm receiving. I've checked with my host and they haven't been able to > see any problems on their end. Could someone take a look on the pgsql end and > see if messages are bouncing, and if so, with what errors? I'm subscribed to > at least -hackers, -general, -committers, and I believe -patches with this > account. (I've actually tried to resubscribe to -www, but haven't yet > received the confirmation email after 24 hours.) > > Thanks! If there's anything I can do to help this along, please let me know, > cc'ing me if you're sending to the list. > > Michael Glaesemann > grzm seespotcode net > > > - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFXEvR4QvfyHIvDvMRAnpIAJ94wdpCQe8VJN7aLkcp5yn4ZhhULgCeLX2e bI2A1UZyUy23TR7QvTo1uIU= =VPZx -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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- --On Thursday, November 16, 2006 12:26:04 +0100 Magnus Hagander
<mha@sollentuna.net> wrote:
>
>> I just restarted the name server(s), and same result ... I've
>> even disabled the change I made the other day to 'disable
>> recursive', restarted, same result ...
>> so it isn't related to any change I've made recently :(
>>
>> Anyone out there with more knowledge of DNS then I have any ideas?
>
> whois says the domain expired very recently, and was updated Nov 17th.
> My guess would be something expired before it was renewed and was
> dropped from the zones for a while. Now you're probably just waiting for
> the cache to clear...
Where did you find that out? According to whois here:
Domain Name: VARLENA.COM
Created on: 14-Nov-2002
Expires on: 12-Nov-2014
Last Updated on: 17-Nov-2005
It was last updated Nov 17th *2005* ... a year ago ... neat thing is, shouldn't
I be able to resolve from her name servers:
postgresql# nslookup varlena.com JASMINE.NORCOV.COM
;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
postgresql# nslookup varlena.com KOLIBRI.NORCOV.COM
;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
postgresql# nslookup varlena.com ns.uunet.ca
Server: ns.uunet.ca
Address: 142.77.1.1#53
Non-authoritative answer:
Name: varlena.com
Address: 64.81.253.188
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Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org)
Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org
Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > - --On Thursday, November 16, 2006 12:26:04 +0100 Magnus Hagander > <mha@sollentuna.net> wrote: > Where did you find that out? According to whois here: > > Domain Name: VARLENA.COM > Created on: 14-Nov-2002 > Expires on: 12-Nov-2014 > Last Updated on: 17-Nov-2005 > > It was last updated Nov 17th *2005* ... a year ago ... neat thing is, > shouldn't I be able to resolve from her name servers: > > postgresql# nslookup varlena.com JASMINE.NORCOV.COM > ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached > > postgresql# nslookup varlena.com KOLIBRI.NORCOV.COM > ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached > > postgresql# nslookup varlena.com ns.uunet.ca > Server: ns.uunet.ca > Address: 142.77.1.1#53 > > Non-authoritative answer: > Name: varlena.com > Address: 64.81.253.188 Appears to be an unreachable network altogether: traceroute to 64.81.253.164 (64.81.253.164), 64 hops max, 44 byte packets 1 200.46.208.1 0.947 ms 0.767 ms 0.957 ms 2 200.46.0.4 1.338 ms 1.282 ms 1.824 ms 3 66.110.68.1 49.511 ms 62.223 ms 48.888 ms 4 216.6.48.9 169.134 ms 199.943 ms 203.234 ms 5 216.6.48.30 78.447 ms 80.531 ms 79.564 ms 6 216.6.63.42 81.974 ms 78.439 ms 79.187 ms 7 216.6.87.6 100.811 ms 96.325 ms 93.077 ms 8 207.45.196.134 100.158 ms 95.476 ms 80.546 ms 9 64.125.27.138 89.820 ms 92.928 ms 100.652 ms 10 64.125.27.241 90.647 ms 78.332 ms 91.383 ms 11 64.125.27.33 91.665 ms 91.179 ms 109.132 ms 12 64.125.29.185 92.118 ms 104.413 ms 105.281 ms 13 64.125.30.205 121.897 ms 129.035 ms 150.276 ms 14 64.125.28.221 153.740 ms 159.487 ms 170.590 ms 15 209.249.11.178 181.050 ms 165.286 ms 151.951 ms 16 69.17.83.190 153.708 ms 154.842 ms 154.627 ms 17 * * * 18 * * * 19 * * * 20 * *^C So I doubt my changes to /etc/resolv.conf will help her either ... - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFXE3l4QvfyHIvDvMRAqqAAJ0acJ2IjqkXlebunEH/HRkuSbSDnwCfaTP1 4DpZMggdMDxy5K7GDtI8Xog= =pJkj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
> >> I just restarted the name server(s), and same result ... I've even > >> disabled the change I made the other day to 'disable recursive', > >> restarted, same result ... > >> so it isn't related to any change I've made recently :( > >> > >> Anyone out there with more knowledge of DNS then I have any ideas? > > > > whois says the domain expired very recently, and was > updated Nov 17th. > > My guess would be something expired before it was renewed and was > > dropped from the zones for a while. Now you're probably > just waiting > > for the cache to clear... > > Where did you find that out? According to whois here: > > Domain Name: VARLENA.COM > Created on: 14-Nov-2002 > Expires on: 12-Nov-2014 > Last Updated on: 17-Nov-2005 > > It was last updated Nov 17th *2005* ... a year ago ... neat Beh. I can't read. That's of course correct. Sorry about the noise. > thing is, shouldn't I be able to resolve from her name servers: > > postgresql# nslookup varlena.com JASMINE.NORCOV.COM ;; > connection timed out; no servers could be reached > > postgresql# nslookup varlena.com KOLIBRI.NORCOV.COM ;; > connection timed out; no servers could be reached Both these nameservers are on the same network (bad, bad, but that's how it is), maybe you'r ehaving routing problems to that network? They both resolve varlena.com for me. (Though I can't tracerotue to them, that drops at speakeasy.net somewhere) //Magnus
> > thing is, shouldn't I be able to resolve from her name servers: > > > > postgresql# nslookup varlena.com JASMINE.NORCOV.COM ;; connection > > timed out; no servers could be reached > > > > postgresql# nslookup varlena.com KOLIBRI.NORCOV.COM ;; connection > > timed out; no servers could be reached > > Both these nameservers are on the same network (bad, bad, but > that's how it is), maybe you'r ehaving routing problems to > that network? > > They both resolve varlena.com for me. (Though I can't > tracerotue to them, that drops at speakeasy.net somewhere) Actually, not so. It seems to go up and down - I get different results from different networks, both wrt being able to resolve and tracerouting. It's obvious they have some kind of network issues. //Magnus
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Thursday, November 16, 2006 12:43:51 +0100 Magnus Hagander <mha@sollentuna.net> wrote: >> > thing is, shouldn't I be able to resolve from her name servers: >> > >> > postgresql# nslookup varlena.com JASMINE.NORCOV.COM ;; connection >> > timed out; no servers could be reached >> > >> > postgresql# nslookup varlena.com KOLIBRI.NORCOV.COM ;; connection >> > timed out; no servers could be reached >> >> Both these nameservers are on the same network (bad, bad, but >> that's how it is), maybe you'r ehaving routing problems to >> that network? >> >> They both resolve varlena.com for me. (Though I can't >> tracerotue to them, that drops at speakeasy.net somewhere) > > Actually, not so. It seems to go up and down - I get different results > from different networks, both wrt being able to resolve and > tracerouting. It's obvious they have some kind of network issues. And varlena.com is on that same network: Non-authoritative answer: Name: varlena.com Address: 64.81.253.188 Non-authoritative answer: Name: JASMINE.NORCOV.COM Address: 64.81.253.164 - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFXE/74QvfyHIvDvMRAm0zAKCaCQtBaq4pzviSPopXRzEE4fbTnACg0X8C l5fojoHeIPXA373/HBhTRuM= =w1QO -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Tom Lane wrote: > Michael Glaesemann <grzm@seespotcode.net> writes: > >> The number of posts I've been receiving from the pgsql mailing lists >> I'm on has significantly dropped off. >> > > In the same line --- Elein told me yesterday that she's been bounced > from all the PG mailing lists. What's going on there? > I can confirm this as well. I have had really odd reception from the lists. Elein also emailed me and asked if the mailing lists had changed :(. Joshua D. Drake > regards, tom lane > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 5: don't forget to increase your free space map settings > >
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Thursday, November 16, 2006 05:06:25 -0800 "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com> wrote: > Tom Lane wrote: >> Michael Glaesemann <grzm@seespotcode.net> writes: >> >>> The number of posts I've been receiving from the pgsql mailing lists >>> I'm on has significantly dropped off. >>> >> >> In the same line --- Elein told me yesterday that she's been bounced >> from all the PG mailing lists. What's going on there? >> > I can confirm this as well. I have had really odd reception from the lists. > Elein also emailed me and > asked if the mailing lists had changed :( 'k, in Michael's case, it was a DNS issue ... he hosts some domains with us, and had added seespotcode.net as a virtual host, but the dns wasn't supposed to be added ... so, all his email was being delivered to the 'local servers', instead of where it should be going ... he's fixed, and has downloaded all the email from his machine here ... In Elein's case, its a network issue that Magnus has confirmed that he's seeing from various locations as well ... nothing I can do about that one ... In your case ... no clue. I see nothing on our end to indicate a problem with any of the @commandprompt.com addresses (in Elein's case, I found a bunch of 'bounce detected' messages ... I get *zero* for @commandprompt.com) ... So, need a bit more detail from you on what you are/aren't seeing ... missing messages, or just slow delivery, or ... ? - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFFXGqm4QvfyHIvDvMRAvMTAJ0fm7F2Jn9GPaiJJ8sYm7pJK9k0xgCfekwt MOLr//4OqeYuQURpKNVajK8= =i0SC -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Nov 16, 2006, at 20:30 , Marc G. Fournier wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > Figured out Michael's problem, and have email'd him offlist about > it ... It looks like I'm back in business. Thanks, Marc, for your help. Now to wade through the 2000 messages, I've got backed up... Michael Glaesemann grzm seespotcode net
"Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@postgresql.org> writes:
> In Elein's case, its a network issue that Magnus has confirmed that he's seeing
> from various locations as well ... nothing I can do about that one ...
From here, I can resolve Elein's domain just fine, but when I tried to
email her to point her at this discussion, I got
Nov 16 15:43:42 sss2 sm-mta[634]: kAGKcgcE000631: timeout waiting for input from mail2.norcov.com. during client
greeting
Nov 16 15:43:42 sss2 sm-mta[634]: kAGKcgcE000631: to=<elein@varlena.com>, ctladdr=<tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> (301/20),
delay=00:05:00,xdelay=00:05:00, mailer=esmtp, pri=120459, relay=mail2.norcov.com. [64.81.253.169], dsn=4.0.0,
stat=Deferred:Connection timed out with mail2.norcov.com.
According to netstat the connection never got out of SYN_SENT state,
ie, no ACK ever came back. So I concur it's some kind of connectivity
issue at her ISP.
(Interestingly enough, the third retry a few minutes later got through.
So it's also intermittent.)
regards, tom lane
On Nov 16, 2006, at 11:07 , Michael Glaesemann wrote: > > On Nov 16, 2006, at 0:04 , Michael Glaesemann wrote: > >> The number of posts I've been receiving from the pgsql mailing >> lists I'm on has significantly dropped off. I do receive some, but >> only a handful a day. I can tell from the archives that it's not >> the case that the lists have become more quiet: I'm just not >> getting all of them. > > Marc, > > Thanks for looking into this. I can see from the ml archives that > you responded and cc'd me, but I didn't even get that mail. :( Did > you get a bounce? What seems to be the problem? Is there anything > more that I can check on my end or with my host? I've been checking > my spam folder, and my pgsql mail is not ending up there. Marc, Thanks for the log entry. I've forwarded it to my hosts. Again, I didn't receive your email, but I'm frequenting the archives page regularly. Something's definitely off. Hopefully we can get to the bottom of this. Thanks again! Michael Glaesemann grzm seespotcode net