Обсуждение: New Lists?
Folks, The kind people of the Tehran PUG would like to start an official list. How is this done, and should we have a procedure on the web for getting this started? Cheers, D -- David Fetter <david@fetter.org> http://fetter.org/ phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Skype: davidfetter Remember to vote! Consider donating to PostgreSQL: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
Hello, On Tue, 2007-05-29 at 21:55 -0700, David Fetter wrote: > The kind people of the Tehran PUG would like to start an official > list. How is this done. We need a "list administrator's" e-mail first, after someone asks for the list. Then, if noone objects, Marc creates the list in the form "pgsql-"COUNTRY_CODE_ISO-3166-STANDARD"-"The local word for 'General'" For example: pgsql-tr-genel, etc. But, *in my opinion*, the list administrator must either be a well-known person in the community or must be endorsed by a well-known person in the community. We must be sure that (s)he is among the PostgreSQL leaders in that country. > and should we have a procedure on the web for getting this started? Yes, we should add the procedure to our web page, agreed. Regards, -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: plPHP, ODBCng - http://www.commandprompt.com/
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 11:27:42AM +0300, Devrim G?ND?Z wrote: > Hello, > > On Tue, 2007-05-29 at 21:55 -0700, David Fetter wrote: > > > The kind people of the Tehran PUG would like to start an official > > list. How is this done. > > We need a "list administrator's" e-mail first, after someone asks > for the list. Then, if noone objects, Marc creates the list in the > form "pgsql-"COUNTRY_CODE_ISO-3166-STANDARD"-"The local word for > 'General'" > > For example: pgsql-tr-genel, etc. > > But, *in my opinion*, the list administrator must either be a > well-known person in the community or must be endorsed by a > well-known person in the community. We must be sure that (s)he is > among the PostgreSQL leaders in that country. I like this idea, but I have questions about how we assess this. We have a sample of size comfortably less than 10 from all of the People's Republic of China, and fewer still from Iran. How do we know whom we're talking to? One way to define leadership is "those who step up and do the work." It's always possible to revisit :) > > and should we have a procedure on the web for getting this started? > > Yes, we should add the procedure to our web page, agreed. :) Cheers, D -- David Fetter <david@fetter.org> http://fetter.org/ phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Skype: davidfetter Remember to vote! Consider donating to PostgreSQL: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:02:07 -0700 David Fetter <david@fetter.org> wrote: > One way to define leadership is "those who step up and do the work." > It's always possible to revisit :) As rare as D and I agree ... I agree ... its not like its hard to change the owner of a list if we need to ... - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFGXcmZ4QvfyHIvDvMRAihQAKCq4srblIn+IVFAXxakdroxHeuJCgCfQzSQ XWaHMbvaZcm0sykDR1b5aSo= =f7RU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
David, Just so you and others are aware: there can't be any interaction between the Tehran PUG and SPI. Stupid US embargo laws. -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 12:45:15PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: > David, > > Just so you and others are aware: there can't be any interaction > between the Tehran PUG and SPI. Stupid US embargo laws. I'm aware :P Cheers, D -- David Fetter <david@fetter.org> http://fetter.org/ phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Skype: davidfetter Remember to vote! Consider donating to PostgreSQL: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
Marc, > Just so you and others are aware: there can't be any interaction between > the Tehran PUG and SPI. Stupid US embargo laws. Oh, related to this ... are the pugs mailing lists and the pugs.postgresql.org VM located on a machine outside the US? -- Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco
Josh Berkus wrote: > David, > > Just so you and others are aware: there can't be any interaction between the > Tehran PUG and SPI. Stupid US embargo laws. > Would we have a problem if any of the servers carrying list archives, or linking to the lists were partially or fully funded by SPI or another US based company? /D
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 01:07:37PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: > Marc, > > > Just so you and others are aware: there can't be any interaction > > between the Tehran PUG and SPI. Stupid US embargo laws. > > Oh, related to this ... are the pugs mailing lists and the > pugs.postgresql.org VM located on a machine outside the US? As far as I know, they're still on redhotpenguin servers, which are here in the SF Bay Area. Cheers, D -- David Fetter <david@fetter.org> http://fetter.org/ phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Skype: davidfetter Remember to vote! Consider donating to PostgreSQL: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
On May 30, 2007, at 1:27 AM, Devrim GÜNDÜZ wrote: > >> and should we have a procedure on the web for getting this started? > > Yes, we should add the procedure to our web page, agreed. And, if you're creating the Tehran archives.postgresql.org page, could you please update the pdxpug page (http:// archives.postgresql.org/pdxpug/) to look more like http:// archives.postgresql.org/sfpug/ at the same time? I volunteer to do this if someone gives me access, although I'm not sure I meet the criteria Devrim laid out. 8-) Thanks, -selena
Hi, On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 11:02 -0700, David Fetter wrote: > I like this idea, but I have questions about how we assess this. We > have a sample of size comfortably less than 10 from all of the > People's Republic of China, and fewer still from Iran. How do we know > whom we're talking to? How do you know that the people who ask you a list is really a PostgreSQL guy? When I asked for a list for -tr (which is the first country-specific list...) noone objected since people knew me. "Endorsing by a known community member" is a good option, when there are few people in that specific country. ... BTW, "leadership" does not meet the meaning that I wanted to say. Ignore that part, please. > One way to define leadership is "those who step up and do the work." > It's always possible to revisit :) Once we create the list, people from local community will ask for updates whenever the list administrator cannot administrate the list any longer. -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support Managed Services, Shared and Dedicated Hosting Co-Authors: plPHP, ODBCng - http://www.commandprompt.com/
All, > Would we have a problem if any of the servers carrying list archives, or > linking to the lists were partially or fully funded by SPI or another US > based company? Yes, potentially. It's enough that we'd have to talk to an attorney. > As far as I know, they're still on redhotpenguin servers, which are > here in the SF Bay Area. Oh. That could be a problem. -- --Josh Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 02:27:54PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: > All, > > > Would we have a problem if any of the servers carrying list archives, or > > linking to the lists were partially or fully funded by SPI or another US > > based company? > > Yes, potentially. It's enough that we'd have to talk to an attorney. > > > As far as I know, they're still on redhotpenguin servers, which are > > here in the SF Bay Area. > > Oh. That could be a problem. We've already got Tunisia and United Arab Emirates lists on there. I'm not sure whether either of those countries is subject to export controls :P Cheers, D -- David Fetter <david@fetter.org> http://fetter.org/ phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Skype: davidfetter Remember to vote! Consider donating to PostgreSQL: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
David, > We've already got Tunisia and United Arab Emirates lists on there. > I'm not sure whether either of those countries is subject to export > controls :P No. I've been checking. -- --Josh Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco
On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 12:26:00AM +0300, Devrim G?ND?Z wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 11:02 -0700, David Fetter wrote: > > I like this idea, but I have questions about how we assess this. > > We have a sample of size comfortably less than 10 from all of the > > People's Republic of China, and fewer still from Iran. How do we > > know whom we're talking to? > > How do you know that the people who ask you a list is really a > PostgreSQL guy? When I asked for a list for -tr (which is the first > country-specific list...) noone objected since people knew me. That is the problem. Not every country has a known representative, nor, I think, should we demand that that they do in order to get started. > "Endorsing by a known community member" is a good option, when there > are few people in that specific country. In China, we have approximately zero. Similar with Iran. > ... BTW, "leadership" does not meet the meaning that I wanted to > say. Ignore that part, please. > > > One way to define leadership is "those who step up and do the > > work." It's always possible to revisit :) > > Once we create the list, people from local community will ask for > updates whenever the list administrator cannot administrate the list > any longer. OK :) Cheers, D -- David Fetter <david@fetter.org> http://fetter.org/ phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Skype: davidfetter Remember to vote! Consider donating to PostgreSQL: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Wednesday, May 30, 2007 13:07:37 -0700 Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > Marc, > >> Just so you and others are aware: there can't be any interaction between >> the Tehran PUG and SPI. Stupid US embargo laws. > > Oh, related to this ... are the pugs mailing lists and the > pugs.postgresql.org VM located on a machine outside the US? Most definitely ... the only thing that is 'in the US' that I'm aware of is archives.postgresql.org, and that's just a copy / mirror ... - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFGXghf4QvfyHIvDvMRArL7AJ9wuX+jV/9J9IxvmtOyG0EhRjsiqQCfVj+h 6jb6+vzM4t6GVc9ZcAHGETc= =bRKc -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Wednesday, May 30, 2007 13:11:42 -0700 David Fetter <david@fetter.org> wrote: > On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 01:07:37PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: >> Marc, >> >> > Just so you and others are aware: there can't be any interaction >> > between the Tehran PUG and SPI. Stupid US embargo laws. >> >> Oh, related to this ... are the pugs mailing lists and the >> pugs.postgresql.org VM located on a machine outside the US? > > As far as I know, they're still on redhotpenguin servers, which are > here in the SF Bay Area. They never have been: Name: pugs.postgresql.org Address: 200.46.204.175 - ---- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFGXgia4QvfyHIvDvMRAkoFAKCsr99+lWTkSjkMr4au03C/1+sHEQCg01e/ 2mIDO7ZeR7l7eKosu4jcohQ= =v0mV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 08:28:26PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > - --On Wednesday, May 30, 2007 13:11:42 -0700 David Fetter <david@fetter.org> > wrote: > > > On Wed, May 30, 2007 at 01:07:37PM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: > >> Marc, > >> > >> > Just so you and others are aware: there can't be any interaction > >> > between the Tehran PUG and SPI. Stupid US embargo laws. > >> > >> Oh, related to this ... are the pugs mailing lists and the > >> pugs.postgresql.org VM located on a machine outside the US? > > > > As far as I know, they're still on redhotpenguin servers, which are > > here in the SF Bay Area. > > They never have been: > > Name: pugs.postgresql.org > Address: 200.46.204.175 Great :) Cheers, D -- David Fetter <david@fetter.org> http://fetter.org/ phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Skype: davidfetter Remember to vote! Consider donating to PostgreSQL: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
On Wednesday 30 May 2007 18:17, David Fetter wrote:
> On Thu, May 31, 2007 at 12:26:00AM +0300, Devrim G?ND?Z wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 11:02 -0700, David Fetter wrote:
> > > I like this idea, but I have questions about how we assess this.
> > > We have a sample of size comfortably less than 10 from all of the
> > > People's Republic of China, and fewer still from Iran. How do we
> > > know whom we're talking to?
> >
> > How do you know that the people who ask you a list is really a
> > PostgreSQL guy? When I asked for a list for -tr (which is the first
> > country-specific list...) noone objected since people knew me.
>
> That is the problem. Not every country has a known representative,
> nor, I think, should we demand that that they do in order to get
> started.
>
> > "Endorsing by a known community member" is a good option, when there
> > are few people in that specific country.
>
> In China, we have approximately zero. Similar with Iran.
>
Eh... I've spoken with a few chinese members on related topics... and have at
least one I'd endorse if I had to.
> > ... BTW, "leadership" does not meet the meaning that I wanted to
> > say. Ignore that part, please.
> >
> > > One way to define leadership is "those who step up and do the
> > > work." It's always possible to revisit :)
> >
> > Once we create the list, people from local community will ask for
> > updates whenever the list administrator cannot administrate the list
> > any longer.
>
yeah, I don't see too much concern from that side.
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