Обсуждение: Core Infrastructure Initiative (CII) - PostgreSQL entry

Hi,

I noticed that our dear project wasn't among the projects that have been
evaluated with the CII best practices guidelines.  As I was curious I
made an initial attempt.  The MUST requirements for the 'passing' level
largely seem reasonable, there's a few less sane things in the "higher"
grades.

https://bestpractices.coreinfrastructure.org/en/projects/2268

If anybody here wants to edit that entry, I apparently can add
additional users with edit rights.

You can click on "Expand panels" and "Hide met & N/A" to quickly see the
things where we don't quite meter up.

Greetings,

Andres Freund

On 2018-10-07 07:47, Andres Freund wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I noticed that our dear project wasn't among the projects that have 
> been
> evaluated with the CII best practices guidelines.  As I was curious I
> made an initial attempt.  The MUST requirements for the 'passing' level
> largely seem reasonable, there's a few less sane things in the "higher"
> grades.
> 
> https://bestpractices.coreinfrastructure.org/en/projects/2268

Excellent stuff Andres, that looks like a really good start. :)

The "What programming language(s) are used to implement the project?" 
one
shouldn't be too hard to fill out.  The info for the question says that
if there are many, then to include at least the first three (in 
descending
order of most to least used).

It'll definitely be C (of course), but what should come next?

   * Do we use SQL to *implement* the project?  Kind of thinking "no" for
     the sense they're meaning.

   * Maybe the languages commonly used for stored procedures?

   * Should our build system pieces by considered as well?
     * That could be tricky, as several of the binary packages are
       created by external parties.  Maybe better to not consider
       build system pieces atm.

For the Security reporting item, it sounds like we need to add PGP key
details to our Security issue reporting section.  I don't remember any
recent discussion (last few years) on the -www mailing list about it,
hopefully it's not be a problem. ;)

For the Security items re: implementing crypto (SCRAM) and depending
on broken crypto (eg MD5), good question... not sure how to handle 
those.
We may need to discuss with the CII people directly to get a sense for
the right way forward.

+ Justin

> On 7 Oct 2018, at 07:47, Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I noticed that our dear project wasn't among the projects that have been
> evaluated with the CII best practices guidelines.  As I was curious I
> made an initial attempt.  The MUST requirements for the 'passing' level
> largely seem reasonable, there's a few less sane things in the "higher"
> grades.
>
> https://bestpractices.coreinfrastructure.org/en/projects/2268
>
> If anybody here wants to edit that entry, I apparently can add
> additional users with edit rights.
>
> You can click on "Expand panels" and "Hide met & N/A" to quickly see the
> things where we don't quite meter up.

Yes, we chose not to join CII after discussions with the Linux Foundation. I forget the reasons now - would have to
checkmy archives when I’m back in the office. 

Hi,

On 2018-10-07 11:15:13 +0100, Dave Page wrote:
> > On 7 Oct 2018, at 07:47, Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de> wrote:
> > I noticed that our dear project wasn't among the projects that have been
> > evaluated with the CII best practices guidelines.  As I was curious I
> > made an initial attempt.  The MUST requirements for the 'passing' level
> > largely seem reasonable, there's a few less sane things in the "higher"
> > grades.
> > 
> > https://bestpractices.coreinfrastructure.org/en/projects/2268
> > 
> > If anybody here wants to edit that entry, I apparently can add
> > additional users with edit rights.
> > 
> > You can click on "Expand panels" and "Hide met & N/A" to quickly see the
> > things where we don't quite meter up.
> 
> Yes, we chose not to join CII after discussions with the Linux
> Foundation. I forget the reasons now - would have to check my archives
> when I’m back in the office.

The above seems largely unrelated to actually joining the CII?  It's
just a bunch of guidelines you can follow or not.

Greetings,

Andres Freund

On 2018-10-08 09:58:35 +0200, Magnus Hagander wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2018 at 9:51 AM Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 7, 2018 at 5:31 PM Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On 2018-10-07 11:15:13 +0100, Dave Page wrote:
> >> > > On 7 Oct 2018, at 07:47, Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de> wrote:
> >> > > I noticed that our dear project wasn't among the projects that have
> >> been
> >> > > evaluated with the CII best practices guidelines.  As I was curious I
> >> > > made an initial attempt.  The MUST requirements for the 'passing'
> >> level
> >> > > largely seem reasonable, there's a few less sane things in the
> >> "higher"
> >> > > grades.
> >> > >
> >> > > https://bestpractices.coreinfrastructure.org/en/projects/2268
> >> > >
> >> > > If anybody here wants to edit that entry, I apparently can add
> >> > > additional users with edit rights.
> >> > >
> >> > > You can click on "Expand panels" and "Hide met & N/A" to quickly see
> >> the
> >> > > things where we don't quite meter up.
> >> >
> >> > Yes, we chose not to join CII after discussions with the Linux
> >> > Foundation. I forget the reasons now - would have to check my archives
> >> > when I’m back in the office.
> >>
> >> The above seems largely unrelated to actually joining the CII?  It's
> >> just a bunch of guidelines you can follow or not.
> >>
> >
> > The fact that the project is now listed on their site and has been scored
> > seems to indicate that someone signed us up.
> >
> 
> Yes, and the record pretty clearly shows it's Andres. And he also stated so
> in the first message of this thread :)

Right ;)


Everyone can sign anything up, it's not an "project wide thing" unless
we want to make it such. There could be multiple PG entries afaict. A
friend pinged me, and the list of questions sounded reasonable, and
e.g. reminded me that we should change the password encryption default,
and that certain parts of our "new dev" information isn't great.

If we decide that we do not want that, we can delete the entry, but
somebody can just create it again.  Since the list seems somewhat
useful, I don't see much point in deleting however, especially because
it makes it easier for wrong information to percolate.


Greetings,

Andres Freund

Hi,

On 2018-10-08 08:51:03 +0100, Dave Page wrote:
> I don't particularly care - just pointing out that we had previously
> decided not to do that.

Where?  I saw a mention of the project, but no plan of action in any
direction?

Greetings,

Andres Freund

On 08/10/2018 10:02, Andres Freund wrote:
> Everyone can sign anything up, it's not an "project wide thing" unless
> we want to make it such. There could be multiple PG entries afaict. A
> friend pinged me, and the list of questions sounded reasonable, and
> e.g. reminded me that we should change the password encryption default,
> and that certain parts of our "new dev" information isn't great.

I agree.  After reading through your responses, they highlight a few
areas for possible improvements.

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