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PostgreSQL Guard

От
Jason Long
Дата:
Hello,
I have some questions about the PostgreSQL database:

1- If I want to distribute the PostgreSQL database on several servers at the same time. what should I do? Something
similarto high availability. 

2- Is there any special guard to protect PostgreSQL?

Thank you.



Re: PostgreSQL Guard

От
Ron Johnson
Дата:
On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 3:43 AM Jason Long <hack3rcon@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello,
I have some questions about the PostgreSQL database:

1- If I want to distribute the PostgreSQL database on several servers at the same time. what should I do? Something similar to high availability.

HA replication is native in Postgresql.
 
2- Is there any special guard to protect PostgreSQL?

Guard, as in protection from a split-brain?
 

Re: PostgreSQL Guard

От
Jason Long
Дата:
Hi,
1- Both split-brain protection and security. Any tool?

2- Consider a database related to a website, which data is regularly entered. Now you want to transfer this database to another server. What's the solution?


On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 5:39 PM, Ron Johnson
<ronljohnsonjr@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 3:43 AM Jason Long <hack3rcon@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello,
I have some questions about the PostgreSQL database:

1- If I want to distribute the PostgreSQL database on several servers at the same time. what should I do? Something similar to high availability.

HA replication is native in Postgresql.
 
2- Is there any special guard to protect PostgreSQL?


Guard, as in protection from a split-brain?
 

Re: PostgreSQL Guard

От
Adrian Klaver
Дата:
On 2/27/24 07:08, Jason Long wrote:
> Hi,
> 1- Both split-brain protection and security. Any tool?
> 
> 2- Consider a database related to a website, which data is regularly 
> entered. Now you want to transfer this database to another server. 
> What's the solution?

https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/high-availability.html



-- 
Adrian Klaver
adrian.klaver@aklaver.com




Re: PostgreSQL Guard

От
Jason Long
Дата:
Hi,
Should I read https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/warm-standby.html#STANDBY-SERVER-SETUP for question number 2?

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 7:28 PM, Adrian Klaver
<adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> wrote:
On 2/27/24 07:08, Jason Long wrote:

> Hi,
> 1- Both split-brain protection and security. Any tool?
>
> 2- Consider a database related to a website, which data is regularly
> entered. Now you want to transfer this database to another server.
> What's the solution?


https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/high-availability.html



--
Adrian Klaver
adrian.klaver@aklaver.com


Re: PostgreSQL Guard

От
Ron Johnson
Дата:
I used this web page to implement hot standby via physical streaming.  This command sets up everything for you:
pg_basebackup \
            --pgdata=$PGDATA \
            --dbname=service=basebackup \
            --verbose --progress \
            --checkpoint=fast \
            --write-recovery-conf \
            --wal-method=stream \
            --create-slot --slot=pgstandby1 \
            --compress=server-zstd

For guarding, and situations with a minimal RTO SLA, I use PgPool-II to manage the cluster, automatic failover and Virtual IP address.  Note that only two database servers are needed.  Install PgPool on the two DB servers, and a third, smaller system.

There are other products which do the same thing as PgPool, and you might find them better.

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 12:00 PM Jason Long <hack3rcon@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi,

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 7:28 PM, Adrian Klaver
On 2/27/24 07:08, Jason Long wrote:

> Hi,
> 1- Both split-brain protection and security. Any tool?
>
> 2- Consider a database related to a website, which data is regularly
> entered. Now you want to transfer this database to another server.
> What's the solution?


https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/high-availability.html



--
Adrian Klaver
adrian.klaver@aklaver.com


Re: PostgreSQL Guard

От
Greg Sabino Mullane
Дата:
You may need to expand on / rephrase question 2.

Re: PostgreSQL Guard

От
Jason Long
Дата:
Hi,
Do I have to run this command on the server where the main database is located?

Suppose you want to transfer the database of a website like Amazon.com to a new server and delete the old one. Many users are buying and selling on this website at the same time and it is not possible to turn off the server. What do you do to move a database to another server?

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 9:30 PM, Ron Johnson
<ronljohnsonjr@gmail.com> wrote:
I used this web page to implement hot standby via physical streaming.  This command sets up everything for you:
pg_basebackup \
            --pgdata=$PGDATA \
            --dbname=service=basebackup \
            --verbose --progress \
            --checkpoint=fast \
            --write-recovery-conf \
            --wal-method=stream \
            --create-slot --slot=pgstandby1 \
            --compress=server-zstd

For guarding, and situations with a minimal RTO SLA, I use PgPool-II to manage the cluster, automatic failover and Virtual IP address.  Note that only two database servers are needed.  Install PgPool on the two DB servers, and a third, smaller system.

There are other products which do the same thing as PgPool, and you might find them better.

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 12:00 PM Jason Long <hack3rcon@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi,

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 7:28 PM, Adrian Klaver
On 2/27/24 07:08, Jason Long wrote:

> Hi,
> 1- Both split-brain protection and security. Any tool?
>
> 2- Consider a database related to a website, which data is regularly
> entered. Now you want to transfer this database to another server.
> What's the solution?


https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/high-availability.html



--
Adrian Klaver
adrian.klaver@aklaver.com


Re: PostgreSQL Guard

От
Ron Johnson
Дата:

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 3:48 PM Jason Long <hack3rcon@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi,
Do I have to run this command on the server where the main database is located?

Suppose you want to transfer the database of a website like Amazon.com to a new server and delete the old one. Many users are buying and selling on this website at the same time and it is not possible to turn off the server. What do you do to move a database to another server?

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 9:30 PM, Ron Johnson
I used this web page to implement hot standby via physical streaming.  This command sets up everything for you:
pg_basebackup \
            --pgdata=$PGDATA \
            --dbname=service=basebackup \
            --verbose --progress \
            --checkpoint=fast \
            --write-recovery-conf \
            --wal-method=stream \
            --create-slot --slot=pgstandby1 \
            --compress=server-zstd

For guarding, and situations with a minimal RTO SLA, I use PgPool-II to manage the cluster, automatic failover and Virtual IP address.  Note that only two database servers are needed.  Install PgPool on the two DB servers, and a third, smaller system.

There are other products which do the same thing as PgPool, and you might find them better.

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 12:00 PM Jason Long <hack3rcon@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi,

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 7:28 PM, Adrian Klaver
On 2/27/24 07:08, Jason Long wrote:

> Hi,
> 1- Both split-brain protection and security. Any tool?
>
> 2- Consider a database related to a website, which data is regularly
> entered. Now you want to transfer this database to another server.
> What's the solution?


https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/high-availability.html



--
Adrian Klaver
adrian.klaver@aklaver.com


Re: PostgreSQL Guard

От
Greg Sabino Mullane
Дата:
On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 3:48 PM Jason Long <hack3rcon@yahoo.com> wrote:
Suppose you want to transfer the database of a website like Amazon.com to a new server and delete the old one. Many users are buying and selling on this website at the same time and it is not possible to turn off the server. What do you do to move a database to another server?

If we assume your question is "how can we migrate to a new system while keeping the old one up and running to minimize downtime?" the answer is logical replication.


Cheers,
Greg

Re: PostgreSQL Guard

От
Jason Long
Дата:
Hi,
Thanks again.
I have another questions:

1- Should I just install PostgreSQL normally on the Standby server?

2- Are the steps the same for other Linux distributions like Debian?

On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 9:29 AM, Ron Johnson
<ronljohnsonjr@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 3:48 PM Jason Long <hack3rcon@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi,
Do I have to run this command on the server where the main database is located?

Suppose you want to transfer the database of a website like Amazon.com to a new server and delete the old one. Many users are buying and selling on this website at the same time and it is not possible to turn off the server. What do you do to move a database to another server?

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 9:30 PM, Ron Johnson
I used this web page to implement hot standby via physical streaming.  This command sets up everything for you:
pg_basebackup \
            --pgdata=$PGDATA \
            --dbname=service=basebackup \
            --verbose --progress \
            --checkpoint=fast \
            --write-recovery-conf \
            --wal-method=stream \
            --create-slot --slot=pgstandby1 \
            --compress=server-zstd

For guarding, and situations with a minimal RTO SLA, I use PgPool-II to manage the cluster, automatic failover and Virtual IP address.  Note that only two database servers are needed.  Install PgPool on the two DB servers, and a third, smaller system.

There are other products which do the same thing as PgPool, and you might find them better.

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 12:00 PM Jason Long <hack3rcon@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi,

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 7:28 PM, Adrian Klaver
On 2/27/24 07:08, Jason Long wrote:

> Hi,
> 1- Both split-brain protection and security. Any tool?
>
> 2- Consider a database related to a website, which data is regularly
> entered. Now you want to transfer this database to another server.
> What's the solution?


https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/high-availability.html



--
Adrian Klaver
adrian.klaver@aklaver.com


Re: PostgreSQL Guard

От
Ron Johnson
Дата:

On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 10:36 AM Jason Long <hack3rcon@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi,
Thanks again.
I have another questions:

1- Should I just install PostgreSQL normally on the Standby server?

2- Are the steps the same for other Linux distributions like Debian?

On Wed, Feb 28, 2024 at 9:29 AM, Ron Johnson

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 3:48 PM Jason Long <hack3rcon@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi,
Do I have to run this command on the server where the main database is located?

Suppose you want to transfer the database of a website like Amazon.com to a new server and delete the old one. Many users are buying and selling on this website at the same time and it is not possible to turn off the server. What do you do to move a database to another server?

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 9:30 PM, Ron Johnson
I used this web page to implement hot standby via physical streaming.  This command sets up everything for you:
pg_basebackup \
            --pgdata=$PGDATA \
            --dbname=service=basebackup \
            --verbose --progress \
            --checkpoint=fast \
            --write-recovery-conf \
            --wal-method=stream \
            --create-slot --slot=pgstandby1 \
            --compress=server-zstd

For guarding, and situations with a minimal RTO SLA, I use PgPool-II to manage the cluster, automatic failover and Virtual IP address.  Note that only two database servers are needed.  Install PgPool on the two DB servers, and a third, smaller system.

There are other products which do the same thing as PgPool, and you might find them better.

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 12:00 PM Jason Long <hack3rcon@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi,

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 7:28 PM, Adrian Klaver
On 2/27/24 07:08, Jason Long wrote:

> Hi,
> 1- Both split-brain protection and security. Any tool?
>
> 2- Consider a database related to a website, which data is regularly
> entered. Now you want to transfer this database to another server.
> What's the solution?


https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/high-availability.html



--
Adrian Klaver
adrian.klaver@aklaver.com