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to realise the dark side of Microsoft SQL Server...?

От
Johan van Zyl
Дата:
Please elaborate! (Many a true word spoken in jest<g>)
"That is until I can convince my new employer to realise the dark side
of Microsoft SQL Server."




Dave Page wrote:
 > Joshua D. Drake wrote:
 >> On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:20:32 +0900
 >> Paul Lambert <paul.lambert@reynolds.com.au> wrote:
 >>
 >>> I'm just disappointed that I finish up work with my current employer
 >>> on Friday and where I am going I won't get to work with PG anymore
 >>> and thus won't have as much opportunity to interact with the PG
 >>> community.
 >>> That is until I can convince my new employer to realise the dark side
 >>> of Microsoft SQL Server. :)

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Re: to realise the dark side of Microsoft SQL Server...?

От
Geoffrey
Дата:
Johan van Zyl wrote:
> Please elaborate! (Many a true word spoken in jest<g>)
> "That is until I can convince my new employer to realise the dark side
> of Microsoft SQL Server."

It's the product of an evil company?  Let's see:

1. they are virtually a monopoly
2. they use their monopoly to tie folks to their product upgrade
merry-go-round.
3. They purchase companies to destroy competition.
4. They generate FUD rather then innovate.
5. The Novell agreement?
6. They coerce computer makers to not only preload their operating
system, but coerce them into promoting it.
7. the OOXML debacle?

The list continues, but I suspect you get my point.

--
Until later, Geoffrey

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
  - Benjamin Franklin

Re: to realise the dark side of Microsoft SQL Server...?

От
"Joshua D. Drake"
Дата:
Geoffrey wrote:
> Johan van Zyl wrote:
>> Please elaborate! (Many a true word spoken in jest<g>)
>> "That is until I can convince my new employer to realise the dark side
>> of Microsoft SQL Server."
>
> It's the product of an evil company?  Let's see:
>
> 1. they are virtually a monopoly
> 2. they use their monopoly to tie folks to their product upgrade
> merry-go-round.
> 3. They purchase companies to destroy competition.
> 4. They generate FUD rather then innovate.
> 5. The Novell agreement?
> 6. They coerce computer makers to not only preload their operating
> system, but coerce them into promoting it.
> 7. the OOXML debacle?
>
> The list continues, but I suspect you get my point.

You are assuming most people care.

1. You have to pay for the the OS.
2. You have to pay for the database.
3. You have to pay for any "extra" feature.

That is where you start.

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake




Re: to realise the dark side of Microsoft SQL Server...?

От
Geoffrey
Дата:
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> Geoffrey wrote:
>> Johan van Zyl wrote:
>>> Please elaborate! (Many a true word spoken in jest<g>)
>>> "That is until I can convince my new employer to realise the dark side
>>> of Microsoft SQL Server."
>>
>> It's the product of an evil company?  Let's see:
>>
>> 1. they are virtually a monopoly
>> 2. they use their monopoly to tie folks to their product upgrade
>> merry-go-round.
>> 3. They purchase companies to destroy competition.
>> 4. They generate FUD rather then innovate.
>> 5. The Novell agreement?
>> 6. They coerce computer makers to not only preload their operating
>> system, but coerce them into promoting it.
>> 7. the OOXML debacle?
>>
>> The list continues, but I suspect you get my point.
>
> You are assuming most people care.

No, I'm trying to educate people.  I was answering the question of the
previous poster.  If people begin to understand the issues, they will
begin to care.  At least some of them.

> 1. You have to pay for the the OS.
> 2. You have to pay for the database.
> 3. You have to pay for any "extra" feature.
>
> That is where you start.

Agreed.

--
Until later, Geoffrey

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
  - Benjamin Franklin

Re: to realise the dark side of Microsoft SQL Server...?

От
"T.J. Adami"
Дата:
On Dec 19, 4:23 pm, li...@serioustechnology.com (Geoffrey) wrote:
> Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> > Geoffrey wrote:
> >> Johan van Zyl wrote:
> >>> Please elaborate! (Many a true word spoken in jest<g>)
> >>> "That is until I can convince my new employer to realise the dark side
> >>> of Microsoft SQL Server."
>
> >> It's the product of an evil company?  Let's see:
>
> >> 1. they are virtually a monopoly
> >> 2. they use their monopoly to tie folks to their product upgrade
> >> merry-go-round.
> >> 3. They purchase companies to destroy competition.
> >> 4. They generate FUD rather then innovate.
> >> 5. The Novell agreement?
> >> 6. They coerce computer makers to not only preload their operating
> >> system, but coerce them into promoting it.
> >> 7. the OOXML debacle?
>
> >> The list continues, but I suspect you get my point.
>
> > You are assuming most people care.
>
> No, I'm trying to educate people.  I was answering the question of the
> previous poster.  If people begin to understand the issues, they will
> begin to care.  At least some of them.
>
> > 1. You have to pay for the the OS.
> > 2. You have to pay for the database.
> > 3. You have to pay for any "extra" feature.
>
> > That is where you start.
>
> Agreed.
>
> --
> Until later, Geoffrey
>
> Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little
> temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
>   - Benjamin Franklin
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The point is "certification". As the number of softwarehouses grows
up, and so on the number of software solutions, companies are seeking
from mature and professional solutions. But most of them does not know
postgres because it have not a "commercial" certification.

Even here (Brazil), middle-size companies are changing their
PostgreSQL databases and migrating to IBM DB2 Community Edition.
That's all for certified employees, who can "guarantee" virtually the
security and functioning of host applications.